Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself? - Discussion
Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
yoni cohen, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 08/10/18 13:04
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Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
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Sometimes I have experiences while I meditate or doing simple tasks in life that I use no effort and still everything happens by itself without a sense of self.
Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself 100% of the time?
I can assume that it's possible while doing simple taskes (like cutting onions) but is it possible while doing complex tasks like thinking about hard problems/learning something new?
If it's really possible theoretically arhats could learn/work like crazy effortlessly..
The Tao Te Ching talks a lot about non-doing and non-action, is it similar to the buddhist enlightenment fruits?
Thank you very much
Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself 100% of the time?
I can assume that it's possible while doing simple taskes (like cutting onions) but is it possible while doing complex tasks like thinking about hard problems/learning something new?
If it's really possible theoretically arhats could learn/work like crazy effortlessly..
The Tao Te Ching talks a lot about non-doing and non-action, is it similar to the buddhist enlightenment fruits?
Thank you very much
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Keshin lu, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 09/10/18 00:42
Created 5 Anos ago at 09/10/18 00:40
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
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Hi Gal
First bat : I’m not saying I’m arahant....
I live with this emptiness in my mind. It’s like having a blackhole where everything that comes into it, dissipate. Similarly, the worlds of emotions, thinking, memories happens around that blackhole. Yes, I don’t get angry or hurt or tired, but my body can feel all of that. There is a very define centre before, but now it’s fractal. It’s a permanent shift and not out of sun efforts.
First bat : I’m not saying I’m arahant....
I live with this emptiness in my mind. It’s like having a blackhole where everything that comes into it, dissipate. Similarly, the worlds of emotions, thinking, memories happens around that blackhole. Yes, I don’t get angry or hurt or tired, but my body can feel all of that. There is a very define centre before, but now it’s fractal. It’s a permanent shift and not out of sun efforts.
Daniel M Ingram, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 09/10/18 00:49
Created 5 Anos ago at 09/10/18 00:49
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
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Yes, 100%. The illusion of a separate, stable, independent self that is doing, controlling, knowing, or stabily being is utterly seen through. Everything happens by itself.
yoni cohen, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 09/10/18 01:53
Created 5 Anos ago at 09/10/18 01:51
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
Postagens: 8 Data de Entrada: 02/10/18 Postagens RecentesDaniel M. Ingram:
Yes, 100%. The illusion of a separate, stable, independent self that is doing, controlling, knowing, or stabily being is utterly seen through. Everything happens by itself.
So for example, can you impose the intention to read a complex book on mathematics for 8 hours and during these 8 hours the act of reading will be effortless? the effort sensation will arise? or when running a marathon for example, what can stop an arhat from continuing running? is the body will stop complying the mind intention to run eventually ?
yoni cohen, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 09/10/18 01:52
Created 5 Anos ago at 09/10/18 01:52
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
Postagens: 8 Data de Entrada: 02/10/18 Postagens Recentesvan lu:
Hi Gal
First bat : I’m not saying I’m arahant....
I live with this emptiness in my mind. It’s like having a blackhole where everything that comes into it, dissipate. Similarly, the worlds of emotions, thinking, memories happens around that blackhole. Yes, I don’t get angry or hurt or tired, but my body can feel all of that. There is a very define centre before, but now it’s fractal. It’s a permanent shift and not out of sun efforts.
First bat : I’m not saying I’m arahant....
I live with this emptiness in my mind. It’s like having a blackhole where everything that comes into it, dissipate. Similarly, the worlds of emotions, thinking, memories happens around that blackhole. Yes, I don’t get angry or hurt or tired, but my body can feel all of that. There is a very define centre before, but now it’s fractal. It’s a permanent shift and not out of sun efforts.
What do you mean by you don't get tired, can you clarify this point please?
Keshin lu, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 09/10/18 03:03
Created 5 Anos ago at 09/10/18 03:03
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
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The body gets tired, exhausted, feel anger, feel love, but the mind is still empty. The body is still a body. Only 2 intentions left, to keep this body running and to keep it running for the benefit of all. No other intentions exist.
J C, modificado 5 Anos atrás at 16/10/18 04:55
Created 5 Anos ago at 16/10/18 04:55
RE: Does an arhat perceive reality like everything happens by itself?
Postagens: 644 Data de Entrada: 24/04/13 Postagens RecentesGal Harth:
Daniel M. Ingram:
Yes, 100%. The illusion of a separate, stable, independent self that is doing, controlling, knowing, or stabily being is utterly seen through. Everything happens by itself.
So for example, can you impose the intention to read a complex book on mathematics for 8 hours and during these 8 hours the act of reading will be effortless? the effort sensation will arise? or when running a marathon for example, what can stop an arhat from continuing running? is the body will stop complying the mind intention to run eventually ?
No, nothing changes, it's just correctly perceived as stuff just happening, like you're watching a movie, instead of seeming like you're choosing it or doing it. So sensations of fatigue, desire to quit, frustration, boredom, distraction, weakness of will, intentions to take a break, and so on still come up, and actions like quitting, losing concentration, not doing what you intended, rationalizing, and making excuses all still happen just like they did before.