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Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
Art,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-26 下午10:10
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Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Hello, this is my first post on the forum
I remember seeing some writing, post or blog or something, by Kenneth Folk, where he described different stages of awakening, like 7 or 8 of them. I can't seem to find it anymore, I'd appreciate if someone could be able to link it to me.
I remember seeing some writing, post or blog or something, by Kenneth Folk, where he described different stages of awakening, like 7 or 8 of them. I can't seem to find it anymore, I'd appreciate if someone could be able to link it to me.
Dream Walker,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-26 下午10:27
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-26 下午10:27
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
帖子: 1739 加入日期: 12-1-18 最近的帖子Art:
Hello, this is my first post on the forum
I remember seeing some writing, post or blog or something, by Kenneth Folk, where he described different stages of awakening, like 7 or 8 of them. I can't seem to find it anymore, I'd appreciate if someone could be able to link it to me.
I remember seeing some writing, post or blog or something, by Kenneth Folk, where he described different stages of awakening, like 7 or 8 of them. I can't seem to find it anymore, I'd appreciate if someone could be able to link it to me.
There you go
~D
Art,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-27 上午6:45
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 上午6:45
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 上午8:30
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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There you go
~D
The additional stages look a bit... relative to me. Is anyone else using this map or finding it useful?
Chris M,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-27 上午10:15
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 上午10:15
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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That map has been abandoned by Kenneth as far as I know. It didn't last long and did not survive his own further investigations.
Noah,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-27 下午1:41
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 下午1:41
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 下午3:09
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Show me a model and I'll be able to find someone who can describe their practice experience that way, even if the model creator has moved on
Noah,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-27 下午3:12
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 下午3:12
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Show me a model and I'll be able to find someone who can describe their practice experience that way, even if the model creator has moved on
Touche.
Dream Walker,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-27 下午9:49
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-27 下午9:49
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
帖子: 1739 加入日期: 12-1-18 最近的帖子Chris Marti:
That map has been abandoned by Kenneth as far as I know. It didn't last long and did not survive his own further investigations.
People who abandon their maps annoy me. Especially without explaining why and what further investigations led them to that point.
Having acknowledged they were wrong (by abandonment) what makes them think that their current decision is less wrong? Wrong maps at least might help you see what went wrong, or contain some good stuff.
It makes it more difficult for those who follow maps, and I do love me my maps.
If I ever stop mapping, slap me.
~D
Noah,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 上午12:03
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午12:03
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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@DreamWalker:
I think a big part of the issue is the question of whether or not a change was permanent. In Kenneth's case, it seems that what was permanent was the knowledge gained about the relativity of all experiences. It becomes interesting when this type of approach is compared with others, such as those in which people do reach permanent peaks. I think both of us can agree that technical 4th path is only an optional end point, and the stance that all experiences are relative is only one possible spirituality. Other "free agents" seem to be discovering stabillized aspects of awareness. And on it goes...
I think a big part of the issue is the question of whether or not a change was permanent. In Kenneth's case, it seems that what was permanent was the knowledge gained about the relativity of all experiences. It becomes interesting when this type of approach is compared with others, such as those in which people do reach permanent peaks. I think both of us can agree that technical 4th path is only an optional end point, and the stance that all experiences are relative is only one possible spirituality. Other "free agents" seem to be discovering stabillized aspects of awareness. And on it goes...
neko,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 上午4:06
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午4:06
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Show me a model and I'll be able to find someone who can describe their practice experience that way, even if the model creator has moved on
That makes me want to make prank-maps
Art,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 上午5:26
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午5:25
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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That makes me want to make prank-maps
Stage 11: Meditator begins to hallucinate little green men and feels the need to speak about them. In fact, if the meditator does not let everyone around him know he is seeing these men, he is not considered to be o stage 11.
Chris M,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 上午8:59
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午8:58
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午9:18
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
帖子: 5 加入日期: 16-3-26 最近的帖子Chris Marti:
That makes me want to make prank-maps
Thought of in a certain way all maps are prank maps.
Psi,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 上午11:34
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 上午11:34
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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Chris Marti:
That makes me want to make prank-maps
Thought of in a certain way all maps are prank maps.
Scott Kinney,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 下午1:20
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 下午1:20
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
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New Englanders (in the US) have turned this into a high folk-art with the classic map-navigation advice "You can't get there from here."
neko,修改在8 年前。 at 16-3-28 下午3:21
Created 8 年 ago at 16-3-28 下午3:21
RE: Kenneth Folk's stages of enlightenment
帖子: 763 加入日期: 14-11-26 最近的帖子Chris Marti:
That makes me want to make prank-maps
Thought of in a certain way all maps are prank maps.
Obligatory Tom Stoppard quote