I had posted these questions a month or two ago. Posting them again (with 2 additional questions and additional commentary added). Would be thankful for precise, to-the-point responses.Consider a person who has the capability of sitting in fruition for an extended amount of time. Assume that they resolved that on a certain day, at a certain time, for an hour starting at that time, they will sit in fruition. Then, they do that. To make the question even more stark, imagine a person who is capable of sitting in fruition for an year and is doing that (if at all such a thing is possible), and now, in the questions below, replace one hour by one year.
a) Does the breath stop for someone who is in fruition (as attained in the above way) for the hour for that full hour?
b) If the breath does not stop, are they in fruition for the whole hour or only parts of the hour. The motivation of this question is that fruition is supposed to occur at the end of the out breath. However, if the breath does not stop, then, there will be an in breath during the hour, and the question is if they are in fruition during that in breath too? If they are in fruition during thatin breath too, what does it mean to say that fruition occurs at the end of the out-breath? Does itmean that fruition starts at the end of the out breath and then continues onto the in-breath?
c) If someone being in fruition for the hour does not necessarily mean that they are sitting in fruition for the full hour but just that fruition occurs repeatedly without any further intentions for that full hour (note that fruition is attained by the resolve carried out in the above mentioned way),then what process are they going through during the rest of the time when they are not sitting in fruition?
d) Assume that this person is able to get only momentary fruitions. Does it still make sense to talk about being able to sit in fruition for an hour in the sense that they repeatedly attain fruition during that hour without any further intentions? e) Materiality-Mentality are supposed to stop in subjective experience for the full hour. However, in objective experience, matter is supposed to function on it's own. In particular, protons, electrons, neutrons are still moving around (or do people believe here that protons, electrons, neutrons stop?). In the same vain, is the person still breathing during the full hour but in their subjective experience, there is no breath because they're in a state where they are "absorbed" in the Nibbana-dhatu and thus are not aware that they are breathing?f) I'm quoting here from Ingram's book: Regarding fruition: "In this non-state, there is absolutely no time, no space, no reference point, no experience, no mind, no consciousness, no awareness, no background, no foreground, no nothingness, no somethingness, no body, no this, no that, no unity, no duality, and no anything else." Reality stops cold and then reappears. If this is what happens, how does someone know that this is what actually happened and not some thing else?How this relates to my practice (however, I'm interested in the above questionns both from a personal point of view and from an objective point of view -- it's fair enough to ask about the experience of fruition for a person who is sitting in that state for a long time):I'd herald a guess that I've achieved to animittam cetosamadhi. I've also seen it as created, thus impermanent (per Cula-Sunnata sutta). I've gotten to animittam cetosamadhi in various ways: going up formless realms (or formed versions of these formless realms) as described in Culasunnata sutta, I've also got to it via Mahasi method, I've also got to it via some methods of Dzogchen. Beyond that, I'd like to herald a guess that I've achieved to states of non-duality/union with another and possibly with "God". I've also experienced turning everything over, and experiencing God, right at the center of my heart and this bringing a possibly fundamental shift where I want to live more in life with God's will (God here being created reality, not a creator -- just an experience, at the end of the day, right in the center of the heart).There are other cessation like events which seem to happen at the end of in-breath: they seem to be either fruition-like events or union with God kind of events.Regarding fruition, I have no idea.
Question: According to Ingram, Fruition only occurs at the end of out-breath. Anything these Saints have to say about that?
Tim:Mike, fuck the saints, really. It does happen on the out breath. Otherwise, it would be too much work.