Three speed transmission vs pure noting?

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Louis Joel, modified 6 Months ago.

Three speed transmission vs pure noting?

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Hey everyone! 

I've recently been re-reading Kenneth Folk's contemplative fitness e-book and he talks a lot about the three speed transmission (1st gear: vipassana, 2nd gear: self-enquiry, 3rd gear: do nothing). I was wondering if any of you have experience with doing this consistently and can compare it to just doing 100% pure mahasi noting for an entire sit? Does the addition of self-enquiry and do nothing into a sit add any benefits that don't come from just pure noting? Just wondering what all of your opinions are on this. Thanks emoticon
agnostic, modified 6 Months ago.

RE: Three speed transmission vs pure noting?

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Why not just try it and note what you are doing?
agnostic, modified 6 Months ago.

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So noting stream might be something like:

"Aversion to pure noting. Interest in 3 speed practice. Trying self-enquiry. Asking 'who am I?' No answer. Loss of interest in self-enquiry. Trying do nothing. Doing nothing. Good. Oh shit just came back from thoughts about ex. Doing nothing is harder than it looks. Returning to pure noting. Etc."
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 6 Months ago.

RE: Three speed transmission vs pure noting?

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Louis Joel:
Hey everyone! 

I've recently been re-reading Kenneth Folk's contemplative fitness e-book and he talks a lot about the three speed transmission (1st gear: vipassana, 2nd gear: self-enquiry, 3rd gear: do nothing). I was wondering if any of you have experience with doing this consistently and can compare it to just doing 100% pure mahasi noting for an entire sit? Does the addition of self-enquiry and do nothing into a sit add any benefits that don't come from just pure noting? Just wondering what all of your opinions are on this. Thanks emoticon
In my experience the Self inquiry arose on its own when Mind was in EQ Nana. It would come n form
of "who is seeing? Who is hearing? Who is thinking? Who is sensing?" 
I think it's ok to just ask this question even before the EQ Nana but for me it arose naturally in the EQ. 

The Do Nothing part is "backwards riding the Ox back home" were there is utter trust in the Ox knowing where to go what to do. One gets out of the way of This unfolding.
This is a tricky one pre-Path in my view but I could be wrong. 

I would not lose the Noting Monentum you clearly have. It's ok to ask "who is seeing, hearing, sensing, thinking" every once in a while but if you ask me I would just go Noting until deep into EQ before dwelling deeper into 2nd and even 3rd Gear. 

What you might need is some more concentration maybe and open eye Kasina while Freestyle Noting can offer this. You can even do Noting Aloud while doing Fire Kasina. I tried it and it also works. 

This is just my view mate emoticon and I hope not to confuse you more with it emoticon 

May you practice well.
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Louis Joel, modified 6 Months ago.

RE: Three speed transmission vs pure noting?

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I think you are right about needing more concentration work. I tried noting aloud whilst staring at a candle flame and it went well. I actually prefer looking at a candle than compared to a dirt spot becuase its more interesting haha. At one point bubbles that appeared dark/red would spawn from the flame and rise upwards and vanish, each time they vanished I looked back at the flame and another would spawn. This was cool to experience but didn't met myself get absorbed too much, kept the noting going.  
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 6 Months ago.

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Claim your practice emoticon it's yours! emoticon Test and see what it does. I would give it at least a few months.  All practice needs to build a momentum. So does concentration practice. Stuff takes time to reach a certain inertia. Patience. It's like fishing. You have no idea if a fish will snatch the bait emoticon You throw it into the water and wait. So here light up that Kasina and wait and see what pops up. 

Best wishes! 
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Ni Nurta, modified 6 Months ago.

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Doesn't transmission part in three speed transmission need teacher? Presumably inventor of the "technique"?

Just thinking out loud...
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 6 Months ago.

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Ni Nurta:
Doesn't transmission part in three speed transmission need teacher? Presumably inventor of the "technique"?

Just thinking out loud...

Inventor??? emoticon LOL It's Kenneth Folk man emoticon He simply triangulated between Noting (1st), Self inquiry (2nd) and (his take on) Mahamudra (3rd gear). No magic here mate. Actually anyone with magic stuff ought to run away from Kenneth emoticon just kidding , he is a lovely guy.
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Ni Nurta, modified 6 Months ago.

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Papa Che Dusko:

Inventor??? emoticon LOL It's Kenneth Folk man emoticon He simply triangulated between Noting (1st), Self inquiry (2nd) and (his take on) Mahamudra (3rd gear).
He took readily available components, put them in some order with some logic, created name and even proper documentation... I would say it definitely his invention and anyone hearing "Three speed transmission" will think: Kenneth emoticon

No magic here mate. Actually anyone with magic stuff ought to run away from Kenneth emoticon just kidding , he is a lovely guy.

Wasn't he supposed to be doomed to special Buddhist hell or something? emoticon
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 6 Months ago.

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Nah. He is one of those who will simply expire after death. emoticon 

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