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Maharishikaa Preeti Maiyaa, an unusual female guru? Julieta 4/30/22 6:00 AM
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Hi everyone,
I recently came across Aaryaa Maharishikaa Preeti Maiyaa, "a revolutionary female mystic who fearlessly dares to demystify spirituality in her unrelenting call to realize Self, and act from Source". Here's a taster, her on kundalini "disturbance": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-fQTGuKSNc. She has unusual views on several things, compared to your average Indian guru.
I'd love to know what people make of her!
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Thanks Julieta. I felt a deep and refreshing resonance with her from the very brief bits that I listened to on youtube and read on her website: https://maharishikaa.org/

I appreciate female sources of wisdom who focus on surrender and humilty. I wish I could find more written material or transcripts, but her brief question and answer page is good: https://maharishikaa.org/questions/

It seems that she has a charitable foundation to relieve suffering in India: https://www.presencefoundation.org/ which is always a good sign. 

I appreciate your telling us about her and I will spend some time delving into her more. 

(On a technical note about the DhO forum, why do some people's other posts (like Julieta's) not show up? Were they from long ago and not recent enough? Is there a way to find them?)
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Thanks Arena, I'm also just starting to discover her and already appreciate many of her views. 

​​​​​​​(Re the technical comment, I posted this just two hours ago so in terms of newness it should be almost top of the pile!)
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The recent posts (both in the Recent Posts page, and when seeing someone's recent posts), does not show posts earlier than the last 365 days, unfortunately, and currently there is no way to fix it in the system.
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Julieta, I wanted to see other things that you have posted here to learn more about you, and even when I did a search for your name in quotes this was the only thread that turned up. (Plus a bunch of threads with some derivative of "Jul") I'd noticed this with a few other folks, too. If you want to give a link to older posts of yours, I would read them. 

Siavash, thanks for the specific explanation and the work that you do to keep the forum functioning. 
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Watched few videos.
She is Arhat alright, has the supermundane light. This is exactly what I mean by 4th path!!!1

To my personal taste though there is however too much use of term 'surrender'.
Maybe finding more different words for 'surrender' to make its use less frequent eg. we are neurons with supermundane experiences... surrender-like attitude kinda goes without ever saying word 'surrender', its just letting oneself be useful passing signals in/out via ports both external and internal emoticon
Otherwise I agree with general ideas and how she is portraying them.
She doesn't advertise any relief, liberation, etc. nonsense which is a very good sign!

Keep identity view but make it very simple, not overthink what observes what, surrender to soul, not surrender to suffering, be dispassionate toward relief. That pretty much just works.

I will have to check what tradition she is really from.

Maharishikaa gets Ni seal of approval
Big thanks for the topic Julieta!
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Julieta
Hi everyone,
I recently came across Aaryaa Maharishikaa Preeti Maiyaa, "a revolutionary female mystic who fearlessly dares to demystify spirituality in her unrelenting call to realize Self, and act from Source". Here's a taster, her on kundalini "disturbance": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-fQTGuKSNc. She has unusual views on several things, compared to your average Indian guru.
I'd love to know what people make of her!

She's an Arhat alright, very clear insight and transparent mind. I would reccomend her. 
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I like how she emphasizes personal responsibility in the here and now and she is expressing the insights that I have, she understands true self vs. non-self. I like that she brings in an element of "there is a way". 

Pragmatic dharma has a number of deficiencies, one of them having to do with having lost the path in the sensations themselves. Pragmatic dharma attitude worships experiences and sensations as if they hold ultimate truth. Pragmatic dharma is a corrupted confused version of the dharma she is talking about, where the path is clearly to remove obstacles and dukkha through understanding of the sensations, not by looking for ultimate truth in the sensations. 

A theory I have is that there is a thing called "consensus reservations" which are socially sanctioned topics or whole mind-sections even that are reserved from spiritual practice and socially sanctioned. These kinds of socially sanctioned reservations in spiritual practice can take many forms, but they are direct obstacles to people. 

A commonly held reservation has the added benefit of more potential for rationalization just based on the presence of other people with the same reservation.  These are enemies and can section off whole parts of mind, insulating them from parts of the mind that are chanting Om Mani Padme Hum. So, often what happens when a teacher challenges a socially sanctioned reservation, it might look like she has some bizarre views on certain topics.  

Now, she is valuable because she has a feminine essence to her, and she knows how to employ skillful means. And she gets at the personal responsibility aspect. I agree with her view on suffering and it's the Right View of an Arhat. 
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I also do not like the word surrender becuase it has been used in the communities I've been involved in in a sort of cop-out kind of way, or a "thing that we do" and that's just not the right word becuase she makes it very clear that the surrender involves seeing on a deep level the pain you are causing yourself. In general you already know that you're causing your pain, choosing it even, but if someone is told- just pay attention and don't resist or chase any sensations" They will not gain any insight becuase they haven't figured out how the dukkha process works. There is a preference for a state of no dukkha, and you watch the process of dukkha with the goal of there not being dukkha. I don't know how this simple concept got distorted in modern dharma scenes.

Just so we're clear, I understand that most people would agree with the following:

DUKKHA is a bad state that you want to immediately remedy
SUKKHA is a good state that you want to cultivate and maintain
 
She seems to understand the benefits of sukkha and the drawbacks of dukkha, which is a statement I can't say for every teacher. 

You also see the results of your actions that lead to peace and happiness. She makes it clear we are not to simply idle along and watch the sensations come and go, no - she's saying to root out ignorance by doing. I approve of her. 
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I so wish we had a better search engine. As for Julieta's posts, however, you have read almost half of them as they are only five in total. 
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Sigma Tropic:

A theory I have is that there is a thing called "consensus reservations" which are socially sanctioned topics or whole mind-sections even that are reserved from spiritual practice and socially sanctioned. These kinds of socially sanctioned reservations in spiritual practice can take many forms, but they are direct obstacles to people. 

This!!!
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She seems genuine to me. What she describes here is how I have dealt with disturbed Kundalini. It works. Thanks for sharing this resource! I will listen to more from her. 
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Pragmatic dharma has a number of deficiencies, one of them having to do with having lost the path in the sensations themselves. Pragmatic dharma attitude worships experiences and sensations as if they hold ultimate truth. Pragmatic dharma is a corrupted confused version of the dharma she is talking about, where the path is clearly to remove obstacles and dukkha through understanding of the sensations, not by looking for ultimate truth in the sensations.
Pragmatic Dharma as far as I know is all of us together as a community.

And as community we can show true compassion and when someone say there is some ultimate truth in sensations...


Then again maybe someone can find ultimate truth in their sensations... only way to find out ;)

I didn't watch many of these videos but from I heard from her (and my personal experiences based on similarities I noticed) I can tell that her model is quite different than PD in many aspects.

While I am not quite in agreement how people do things in PD the advices/teachings of MPM also seem as some kind of recommendation based on reducing amount of things on which people should focus because if they do not limit these things they can get lost in investigations and contemplations. This is also compromise is what I am saying.

To know more person has to do more investigations, analyze aspects which are said as unimportant or to which answers are given. Sometimes by investigating something with fresh eyes which is seemingly obvious or explained by someone person can make very important discovery. For example ultimate truth in sensations in model missing any references to such ultimate truth.

Of course I agree investigating actual qualities of sensations and how they affect what arises is better way to do it than mindlessly watch sensations waiting for lighting strike which will stream all the needed knowledge and path will immediately have it despite getting it was not direct focus of practices. Then again in this universe stranger things happen...

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Some text edits to make intended meaning more visible.

BTW. If someone who listens to Maharishikaa videos about soul and burning dharma question arises: "is soul also anicca, dukkha and anatta?"
Answer is simple: YES

Of course by saying yes to this question I do not at the same time imply soul is not at the same time also nicca, sukkha and atta...
...no wonder why Buddha didn't want to explain all this stuff and went with simple 'all experienced phenomena are not self' emoticon
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Julieta, I wanted to see other things that you have posted here to learn more about you, and even when I did a search for your name in quotes this was the only thread that turned up. (Plus a bunch of threads with some derivative of "Jul") I'd noticed this with a few other folks, too. If you want to give a link to older posts of yours, I would read them. 
Sorry, as Linda said it's not like I wrote a lot about myself! My other very few posts are either brief questions or arrangements to meet in person. I've been practising meditation for a couple of decades on and off, first within a Yoga tradition, then buddhist vipassana/LKM, then discovered Daniel's book which was tremendously useful explaining experiences I had encountered in the past (mainly A&P, dark night), and re-engaged with practice in all sorts of exciting ways. Around that time I joined the forum, and I read posts every now and then. I also got to know Daniel and some others in person over the years and have been doing a few things with them.
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts, my impressions about Preeti are similar. Perhaps trust would be a less loaded word than surrender, but I guess if the concept is explained (rather than just taking the word in isolation), I don't find it too bad. I hope Preeti's influence grows!
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I personally find the word surrender very accurate. Surrender is not about some acceptance crash course. It's about wholeheartedly immersing oneself with no reservations whatsoever. It's a beautiful thing.
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Arena Heidi:
Julieta, I wanted to see other things that you have posted here to learn more about you, and even when I did a search for your name in quotes this was the only thread that turned up. (Plus a bunch of threads with some derivative of "Jul")


use the google this way...
site:www.dharmaoverground.org Julieta

It works wonders
~D
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I'll try to remember that solution. Thanks!
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Is it just me projecting, or most of these gurus exhibit a somewhat arrogant attitude, rather than humbleness?
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Thanks for the tip, D. !
I'll try it right now
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If you are 100% sure immersing yourself in to something is safe and skillful you trust it and need no surrender. You just do it.

Surrender imply there is resistance or fear.
Resistance and feat can be because of it being something unknown. It isn't really unknown but we tend to shift away from this kind of mind and by the time we are adults we usually forget it completely hence the fear. And resistance because it can be felt that letting oneself be in this what is most natural of natural states will dissolve all the things we put there to identify with. Fear is also there because natural or not it requires parts which connect to figure itself out and just jumping to deepest depths might not be the best way. Though usually its not going deep at all that is the issue.

Then when wider spirituality is concerned there is issue of... let's just call them for what they appear when distilled: demons. When you vipassanise hell out of mind you get pure mind and all the rest. This rest is to be disposed of, at least when its purified enough. My mind would not be like immersing without reservations whatsoever in to something that isn't pure abode and has ill will in it. All minds have ill will, no matter if its normal person, arhat, removed guru, buddha or whoever else.

All in all I would say surrender as practice, especially in context used by Preeti is fine. Overall however one should also practice vipassana in such a way as to be able to make mind and soul in to something that doesn't need surrender to play together hence surrender is not really needed. It is something that should happen anyways, even if person only practices surrender their mind will purify the soul and soul will purify the mind. But then again we already have vipassana framework and practice it so why not make use of it. Mindfulness should be something person lives and this also include vipassanising own mind and own soul.
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No, the word surrender does not imply neither fear nor resistance, the way I and many others use it. This usage is widely spread.

An example: https://youtu.be/N93IvR45D80
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Thanks for the help Dream Walker. I figured someone here would have a good work around or hack.

And thanks Julieta for explaining a bit about your background here. I was wondering if you (or someone else) has come across other videos of hers that you'd recommend, especially ones that go into more detail concerning her teaching/philosophy. I thought the kundalini one was especially good compared to others that I watched. 
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I was wondering if you (or someone else) has come across other videos of hers that you'd recommend, especially ones that go into more detail concerning her teaching/philosophy. I thought the kundalini one was especially good compared to others that I watched. "</p><p>Yes, there isn't a lot, and videos are also a mixed bag.
Perhaps this one: https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dt_QkrvZxrH0 and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7VclS3jZmk are interesting?
Personally I do need to filter a lot of stuff I'm not interested in or agree with, but I still find her overall approach refreshing. It will be interesting to see how she develops as I don't feel her ideas and approaches are fully baked yet.
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Is it just me projecting, or most of these gurus exhibit a somewhat arrogant attitude, rather than humbleness?
Totally agree! I think it may be part of the "Indian guru" culture. They bet a lot on this element to generate following and devotion;&nbsp;they may not come across in their culture as proper gurus if they don't exhibit this.&nbsp;I think Preeti is actually on the humble side compared with most of the others (mostly men).
It jars with me a lot. But then, I think in the West there is also arrogance on the part of leaders, it's just that it's not expressed in the same ways. It may be more subtle, which I also find uncomfortable and more disengenuous.
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Exactly my thoughts. Part of the show and on top of that there are cultural differences between India and broadly understood 'west'.
I myself prefer Indian teachers. Indians simply have more talent for it and providing IT support in general emoticon

As for Preeti and her level of humbleness, she is just lacking long silver beard so it cannot be used as the proof of being enlightened like it is for other gurus eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5nzZEOm2YE&t=128s
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I myself prefer Indian teachers. Indians simply have more talent for it and providing IT support in general emoticon
Your dhamma is far too subtle Ni ... I'm chuckling at this one
She seems qualified to guide the yogi on how to restart their computer. Those tech skills can come in handy for a western audience that's tied to the contents of their screen. 
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People saying she's an arahat: be careful with these judgments. What makes you so sure? I'm skeptical given that she uses terms such as Self, Soul, Source. Where is the evidence that she teaches Not Self in the Buddhist sense, i.e. without exception? Someone whose view leaves room for anything to identify with wouldn't qualify as a arahat by any ordinary definition of the term.

It may seem like nit-picking, but this is a fundamental distinction between the Buddha's enlightenment and that taught by Hindu teachers, which from a Buddhist point of view don't teach full enlightenment. Identification with this subtle Self/Soul will eventually give rise to further rebirths in samsara.

Also she has no lineage according to her website. From a Tibetan Buddhist point of view, this is a big red flag. This too suggests that most likely she cannot teach a path to Buddhahood (i.e. full enlightenment).
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She seems to be referencing to the "I AM/The Watcher/Soul -> God/Source -> Not-Self" path, not the Theravadan 4 Paths route. She's just warning against the Neo-Advaita teachers that have only I AM stage as a goal. That's why she repeats about "blissing-out" (The Watcher) vs "blissing-in" through "Surrender". She hasn't have the Buddhist terminology, but she seems to be pointing out the Three Poisons (cling, reject, ignore) when speaking about Surrender. 

P.S.: By the way, I cannot tell about her spiritual attainments, of course. Nor does what I wrote above mean that I like her teachings. Her interpretation about Jesus' soul is BS
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This is seriously dodgy stuff... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwtPmwc7lsc
Listen quietly for the yes/no guidance of the Soul? I mean it's not totally worthless, it's just extremely superficial in comparison to Buddhist teachings IMO.
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In this video, she claims to know what Jesus what thinking. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nec7N9bjp4

It's always interesting to see another take but this is not a style of teaching that appeals to me personally. 
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Ni Nurta, modified 1 Month ago at 5/3/22 1:50 AM
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People saying she's an arahat: be careful with these judgments. What makes you so sure? I'm skeptical given that she uses terms such as Self, Soul, Source. Where is the evidence that she teaches Not Self in the Buddhist sense, i.e. without exception? Someone whose view leaves room for anything to identify with wouldn't qualify as a arahat by any ordinary definition of the term.
Term Arhat is not exclusive to Buddhism and literally means person is worthy of worship or "saint" so eg. St. John of the Cross would be considered by me as an Arhat (note: not all Christian or other tradition "saints" are worthy of worship, obviously). Venerable Ramana Maharshi is another good example. Oh and who could not mention good ol' U. G. Krishnamurti, Arhatness just overflows from him, bless his rugged soul.

The so called "Non Self" has nothing to do with existence of self. It is one of the characteristics of arisen phenomena taught by Buddha. Arisen phenomena is anything you can point to with your mind to. Someone like Preeti seems enlightened enough to know her experiences are not her self. That includes experience of soul and even experiences of True Self. What makes you believe she teaches identification with anything? What she seem to teach is that we as the clicky mind need some simple identification like "I am A from house of B from town C" for mind to fill basic requirement for existence of something to identify with as without it mind goes crazy, otherwise to not identify with experiences and subsequently mind to which they belong to causing it to get tired causing dukkha which by itself is much more crazy.

BTW. Imho she matches criteria of removing fetters like identity view better than someone who obsess about non-existence of self. For some 'Arhats' (with quotation because they might not be worthy of worship) its like there was bright star of self in their mind cosmos and that star collapsed and now everything not only still revolves around it but any stuff that falls on it heats up and emits as much light as before or more, now with more gamma rays and for more enlightened beings giant yets... and terms like 'escape velocity' they never heard about, obviously. I got carried away with this comparison... I meant 'Arhats' use identification with "non-self" or "self doesn't exist" which is identification with a thought, presumed fact. This is used to calm mind and in essence it is the same thing as "I am Ni Nurta who is not from Urta", mind has its reference point and is happy, doesn't mean I am confused about ultimate reality. Unlike 'Arhats' who kinda look confused about ultimate...

It may seem like nit-picking, but this is a fundamental distinction between the Buddha's enlightenment and that taught by Hindu teachers, which from a Buddhist point of view don't teach full enlightenment. Identification with this subtle Self/Soul will eventually give rise to further rebirths in samsara.
All Indian teachings in one way or another are about liberation from Samsara. In this sense Buddha's apple didn't fell far away from the tree.

Atman and Anatta are pretty much the same realization. I realized True Self when doing Anatta practices. I also realized what is the intended difference as Buddha didn't specifically point to what eg. Ramana Maharshi pointed to and in some sense they pointed in completely different direction and resulting experiences of Nibbana vs Moksha appear to be vastly different. Opposites in fact but which doesn't make one pleasant and other not, both are pleasant. Its just that when you experience one you cannot imagine other being pleasant and vice versa.

Full enlightenment imho indicates knowing the thing from every possible angle. If something is true it is true no matter how you look at it. If you are more concerned if you look at it from right angle you might as well find angle from which you get big error and take this error as your truth.

Identification with this subtle Self/Soul will eventually give rise to further rebirths in samsara
BTW. What makes you consider not taking rebirths in Samsara to be a good idea...
Maybe its the worst idea anyone ever had, did you ever consider that?

I am not saying it is, I am just asking if this is what you really want.
And if its not your idea, you do not want it then what the hell?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta#Moksha_%E2%80%93_liberating_knowledge_of_Brahman
Correct knowledge of Atman and Brahman is the attainment of Brahman, immortality,[193] and leads to moksha (liberation) from suffering[note 39] and samsara, the cycle of rebirth

Also she has no lineage according to her website. From a Tibetan Buddhist point of view, this is a big red flag. This too suggests that most likely she cannot teach a path to Buddhahood (i.e. full enlightenment).
If you were seriously considering becoming Buddha yourself, and I mean in accordance with actual truth, you would not go to Tibetans for guidance. They specifically do not want such people around. Rather they want to make bots who advertise their tradition like it was the best thing since sliced bread. I mean not all but they carry more programs in their mind than random person on the street, not less. And so you get brainwashed people who think there is only one true path, this path is exactly what they took and because they took it they are better than everyone else.

Tibetan Buddhism to put it differently just stinks. For someone with all-sense synesthesia it is in literal sense.

It might seem counterintuitive but someone who feel real need to become Buddha is better off seeking tips and tricks from the likes of Preeti and other teachers I mentioned in the beginning of this post. This despite these people not representing Buddhadharma at all. And of course the most important #1 teacher and guru in this case would be none other than Buddha himself. And if you think him being dead makes any difference then you are not crazy enough to begin to comprehend meaning of term Buddha emoticon
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RE: Maharishikaa Preeti Maiyaa, an unusual female guru?

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This is seriously dodgy stuff... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwtPmwc7lsc
Listen quietly for the yes/no guidance of the Soul? I mean it's not totally worthless, it's just extremely superficial in comparison to Buddhist teachings IMO.
Could you explain in what way this is superficial (since you used word 'extremely' it should be fairly easy) and which Buddhist teachings explain these things better?
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Fun fact - UG received dharma transmission from Ramana emoticon

https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/U.G.-Krishnamurti-The-Mystique-of-Enlightenment.pdf

Then somebody came along, and we were discussing all these things. He found me practically an atheist (but not a practicing atheist), skeptical of everything, heretical down to my boots. He said "There is one man here, somewhere in Madras at Tiruvannamalai, called Ramana Maharshi. Come on, let's go and see that man. Here is a living human embodiment of the Hindu tradition."

I didn't want to see any holy man. If you have seen one, you have seen them all. I never shopped around, went around searching for people, sitting at the feet of the masters, learning something; because everybody tells you "Do more and more of the same thing, and you will get it." What I got were more and more experiences, and then those experiences demanded permanence -- and there is no such thing as permanence. So, "The holy men are all phonies -- they are telling me only what is there in the books. That I can read -- 'Do the same again and again' -- that I don't want. Experiences I don't want. They are trying to share an experience with me. I'm doing, trying to solve the problem? It is easier to find the answer first instead of going through all this."

So, reluctantly, hesitatingly, unwilling, I went to see Ramana Maharshi. That fellow dragged me. He said "Go there once. Something will happen to you." He talked about it and gave me a book, Search in Secret India by Paul Brunton, so I read the chapter relating to this man -- "All right, I don't mind, let me go and see." That man was sitting there. From his very presence I felt "What! This man -- how can he help me? This fellow who is reading comic strips, cutting vegetables, playing with this, that or the other -- how can this man help me? He can't help me." Anyway, I sat there. Nothing happened; I looked at him, and he looked at me. "In his presence you feel silent, your questions disappear, his look changes you" -- all that remained a story, fancy stuff to me. I sat there. There were a lot of questions inside, silly questions -- so, "The questions have not disappeared. I have been sitting here for two hours, and the questions are still there. All right, let me ask him some questions" -- because at that time I very much wanted moksha. This part of my background, moksha, I wanted. "You are supposed to be a liberated man" -- I didn't say that. "Can you give me what you have?" -- I asked him this question, but that man didn't answer, so after some lapse of time I repeated that question -- "I am asking 'Whatever you have, can you give it to me?'" He said, "I can give you, but can you take it?" Boy! For the first time this fellow says that he has something and that I can't take it. Nobody before had said "I can give you," but this man said "I can give you, but can you take it?" Then I said to myself "If there is any individual in this world who can take it, it is me, because I have done so much sadhana, seven years of sadhana. He can think that I can't take it, but I can take it. If I can't take it, who can take it?" - -- that was my frame of mind at the time -- you know, (Laughs) I was so confident of myself.

I didn't stay with him, I didn't read any of his books, so I asked him a few more questions: "Can one be free sometimes and not free sometimes?" He said "Either you are free, or you are not free at all." There was another question which I don't remember. He answered in a very strange way: "There are no steps leading you to that." But I ignored all these things. These questions didn't matter to me -- the answers didn't interest me at all.

But this question "Can you take it?" ... "How arrogant he is!" -- that was my feeling. "Why can't I take it, whatever it is? What is it that he has?" -- that was my question, a natural question. So, the question formulated itself: "What is that state that all those people - - Buddha, Jesus and the whole gang -- were in? Ramana is in that state -- supposed to be, I don't know -- but that chap is like me, a human being. How is he different from me? What others say or what he is saying is of no importance to me; anybody can do what he is doing. What is there? He can't be very much different from me. He was also born from parents. He has his own particular ideas about the whole business. Some people say something happened to him, but how is he different from me? What is there: What is that state?" -- that was my fundamental question, the basic question -- that went on and on and on. "I must find out what that state is. Nobody can give that state; I am on my own. I have to go on this uncharted sea without a compass, without a boat, with not even a raft to take me. I am going to find out for myself what the state is in which that man is." I wanted that very much, otherwise I wouldn't have given my life.
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Sigma Tropic, modified 1 Month ago at 5/4/22 12:24 PM
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Ni Nurta, modified 1 Month ago at 5/5/22 4:29 PM
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RE: Maharishikaa Preeti Maiyaa, an unusual female guru?

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I like she talks there is no freedom and no freedom is needed when in this state of surrender.
Its pretty satisfying to see someone with similar mind state with similar ideas.

Could not find proper biography of Preeti, when she attained enlightenment.
Oldest video seems to be material from January 2020. Enlightenment might happened much earlier or later.
Does anyone know that?
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Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 5/6/22 8:23 AM
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Sure, you can read the biography on her website:

Biography of Preeta Maiyaa

Her awakening was some time ago.
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2nd attempt...

I looked at the bio, there's a lot of experiences, and then looked at artbeings.net.  she has wealth.  yet about half way down https://www.artbeings.net/index.html there's a picture of the back of a 'sacred mirror' held up by a wire coat hanger 8-).  (it says 'face to face with truth' on the back)   hey, she's just being pragmatic.

At the bottom of the page there's a few mug shots of her recruited performance artists, they remind me of Kim Katami's pictures of 'fully realised buddhas'. I'm not suggesting she's on the same track, but it's interesting that two completely different people would choose to promote the same art.  yet they both tell thier students how special they are.

Some marketing <https://maharishikaa.org/preetimirror/>:
Ultimately, the PreetiMirror is a Self-discovery narrative of the viewer expanding consciousness, from the physical material state of the macro-cosmos, represented by the outermost circle – to the emotional state, to the conceptual state, to the transformative state, to the uniform state, to the pluriform state represented by the subtle material state of the innermost circle – to the final destination, the subtlest of all matter, the Soul, represented by the mirror in the centre.
Yes waffle, but if she talks about 'the Soul' where's the non-self? especially as the mirror has her name on it.

Apologies if this offends anyone ... just recording my take on what I saw. I am of course mistaken. Descartes didn't tell the full story: "I'm wrong therefore i am".
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Not-self doesn't sell. Buddhas and souls, that's where the money is emoticon
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PreetiMirror!!!
Known to attract protection and prosperity to the spaces in which it stands

This is most likely a conjob to make enough money to keep the lights on. The guru game in India, as well as all over the world, is a winner takes all game. A few people would be multimillionaires, rest are struggling to make ends meet. This may have nothing to do with teaching quality.

It could also be personal superstition. And this is absolutely horrible. A big red flag.
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I don't know enough about the mirror and the pictures to tell whether or not that's a warning sign. 

I do know, though, that there are usages of the word "soul" that doesn't in any way connotate any continuous essence like for instance in Christianity. For instance, in some Tibetan Buddhist traditions, soul retrieving is a strand of practices that aim at balancing the elements to actively create skillful means. It's an active process of construction, not a belief system. I don't know if that's how this guru uses the word, but I would take that possibility under consideration. 
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Ni Nurta, modified 1 Month ago at 5/9/22 1:46 PM
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I would not compare Preeti to that Kim figure.
When she starts charging money for Bhumi readings then yeah but I doubt she ever will.
In her videos she didn't say there is any state of freedom or anything that can be attained and that seems to be directly opposite to Kim's model.

BTW. Anatta is Buddhist concept.
It would be 100% compatible with Soul assuming soul is invisible because all that Anatta says is that one cannot point mind to Self. No experience which arise is Self, something like that.

Interesting tidbit about Anatta: Self for all we know can be existing but invisible or non-existing. If it is invisible/inconceivable/etc. then how one can have realization it doesn't exist? It would not be possible. Self cannot be disproven by any experience. So I call BS on any such insights.

Wonder what Buddha meant when he refused to answer questions about existence of Atman...
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Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 5/9/22 4:04 PM
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Interesting tidbit about Anatta: Self for all we know can be existing but invisible or non-existing. If it is invisible/inconceivable/etc. then how one can have realization it doesn't exist? It would not be possible. Self cannot be disproven by any experience. So I call BS on any such insights.

Ni Nurta, I agree, and this not-self stuff isn't that much of a conundrum for me, either. Not-self says, like the Buddha, that we cannot find a permanent, unchanging self. I can find many selves. They show up all the time, and then quickly disappear. In rapid succession depending on what mind is focused on.  The selves I can find are like all other things, impermanent, unsatisfactory, and.... not truly "me." (There are so many of them, manufactured to suit mind's/ego's needs.
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I am kind of iffy on her mirror thing and the way that she presents herself with the lighting to make sure that she looks illuminated greatly compared to the people that she talks to. But hopefully her stuffy wil be better.
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I am kind of iffy on her mirror thing and the way that she presents herself with the lighting to make sure that she looks illuminated greatly compared to the people that she talks to. But hopefully her stuffy wil be better.

That lighting can have one of two purposes (or more) or no purpose and someone just thought it is fitting without much thought put in to it (actually the best option emoticon)
One of the purposes is like you say - it is a possibility to look illuminated greatly vs other people.
The thing is however that this is an art and its supposed to elicit some feelings in people.

What feeling? I have experience of such light all the time since many years. I guess many people here do.
Maybe it is luminosity she is going for with her lighting art direction?
Who knows...

ps. I'd put some tomoe on that mirror ;)

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