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Papa Che Transcending Diapers
Papa Che Dusko, modified 4 Months ago at 8/6/23 10:25 AM
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Papa Che Transcending Diapers
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Hi dear friends and all of you im yet to get to know
Ive gone for a while and moved over to the Awake Network forum where I've got friendly help. Shargrol was and still is very much keeping eye on me, which I appreciate tremendously! If I win lottery I will make sure to send him 5% of my winning!
(try and haggle for better offer)
So ... now practicing something I call S-meditation aka structured meditation. It was suggested to me by Shargrol and goes like this;
10 minutes mantra
20 minutes noting/noticing
10 minutes radical allowing
then a few minutes spend to return to the usual stuff and log.
Life is still spiralling around minding the infant who still needs huge amounts of diaper change and making sure it's fed enough, drank enough water and milk, is dressed well, was outside, didn't choke on number of things ... etc ...
after a year of being a father at home minding our 2nd born, I'm now back to searching for a job. No luck so far. But I keep applying and they can keep refusing. Just applied for a new job.
as far as Dukkha goes ... it's anxiety filled, unpleasant annoyance with sounds, children shouting and screaming , overwhelm ... I can't even get satisfaction from playing my guitars. It's a DN flavour for sure.
Will try and log here but my main logging is over at the AN forum.
Depending on free time I guess.
May we all be free from suffering. May we all awaken. May we all be happy.

Ive gone for a while and moved over to the Awake Network forum where I've got friendly help. Shargrol was and still is very much keeping eye on me, which I appreciate tremendously! If I win lottery I will make sure to send him 5% of my winning!

So ... now practicing something I call S-meditation aka structured meditation. It was suggested to me by Shargrol and goes like this;
10 minutes mantra
20 minutes noting/noticing
10 minutes radical allowing
then a few minutes spend to return to the usual stuff and log.
Life is still spiralling around minding the infant who still needs huge amounts of diaper change and making sure it's fed enough, drank enough water and milk, is dressed well, was outside, didn't choke on number of things ... etc ...
after a year of being a father at home minding our 2nd born, I'm now back to searching for a job. No luck so far. But I keep applying and they can keep refusing. Just applied for a new job.
as far as Dukkha goes ... it's anxiety filled, unpleasant annoyance with sounds, children shouting and screaming , overwhelm ... I can't even get satisfaction from playing my guitars. It's a DN flavour for sure.
Will try and log here but my main logging is over at the AN forum.
Depending on free time I guess.
May we all be free from suffering. May we all awaken. May we all be happy.
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aloha
!
)smile(
no worries, there's an end to diapers, kids grow up
little puppies transcend newspaper
on the other hand, there's no end to shit...
!
)smile(
no worries, there's an end to diapers, kids grow up
little puppies transcend newspaper
on the other hand, there's no end to shit...
Papa Che Dusko, modified 4 Months ago at 8/6/23 2:38 PM
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Hi Terry me matey!
Good to see you kicking about!
So true! Shit never seems to cease! It's utterly ambitious!
I hope your dog didn't eat up your Ukulele!

So true! Shit never seems to cease! It's utterly ambitious!

I hope your dog didn't eat up your Ukulele!
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Good to see ya!
Child tip - as I called it - Daddies little helper--->
L-Theanine
Get some and test drive it....It halted intfincide several times ;oP
~D
Child tip - as I called it - Daddies little helper--->
L-Theanine
Get some and test drive it....It halted intfincide several times ;oP
~D
Papa Che Dusko, modified 4 Months ago at 8/7/23 12:00 AM
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Thanks LJ
Yes it can get dark and ugly but it also does pass away at one point. It's always darkest before tha dawn!
Wishing your situation to unfold in a way that's of most benefit to you!
Best wishes LJ!

Yes it can get dark and ugly but it also does pass away at one point. It's always darkest before tha dawn!

Wishing your situation to unfold in a way that's of most benefit to you!
Best wishes LJ!
terry, modified 4 Months ago at 8/7/23 12:14 AM
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uke and dog are like kids and guitars
easier to ignore the guitar/uke
so the dog gets the exercise
on the other hand, at two years old she's practically an adult
(kids are easier to raise than husky puppies, but the puppies are likely to turn out better)
a shepsky, I like to say she's a hapa haole - half siberian and half german
looks like a malemute
70 lbs of muscle, teeth and claws
my guardian angel/daimon/alter ego
and as far as kids go, is it success if your kids don't suffer enough?
easier to ignore the guitar/uke
so the dog gets the exercise
on the other hand, at two years old she's practically an adult
(kids are easier to raise than husky puppies, but the puppies are likely to turn out better)
a shepsky, I like to say she's a hapa haole - half siberian and half german
looks like a malemute
70 lbs of muscle, teeth and claws
my guardian angel/daimon/alter ego
and as far as kids go, is it success if your kids don't suffer enough?
Papa Che Dusko, modified 4 Months ago at 8/7/23 12:47 AM
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Thanks D!
I can relate
Never tried L-theanine as such. I will look it up!
However I did go back to SSRI meds and it took away the worst edge. I also started with evening red wine (drink it as a red wine spritzer to reduce the strength of alcohol).
but yeah, having kids is more stress times than good times
I now understand why my parents gave me away! Wonder if they took L-theanine, would they have kept me?
Thanks once more and best wishes to you!
I can relate

Never tried L-theanine as such. I will look it up!
However I did go back to SSRI meds and it took away the worst edge. I also started with evening red wine (drink it as a red wine spritzer to reduce the strength of alcohol).
but yeah, having kids is more stress times than good times


Thanks once more and best wishes to you!
Papa Che Dusko, modified 3 Months ago at 8/7/23 3:03 AM
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40 minutes sitting S-meditation. Open eyes. Aloud.
10 minutes White Tara mantra while eyes gently gazing on a screw head in the wall in front of me.
20 minutes slow pace noting aloud.
10 minutes radical allowing.
a few minutes just come back to the room I sit in. Reflect and write down 2 memories from the sit (as instructed by shargrol).
2 memories:
1. as soon the mantra started there was that feeling of sinking into mind-body. Heavy body. Light coloured hazy image space. All in just there. Tiny vibrations in arms and hands/fingers. High pitch Nada sound with low rumble under it. Stiff left side of neck and under the shoulder blade. Body twitching every so often in the neck-arms region.
2. had a vision of my mother dead in a coffin. She is alive however. But I let it unfold. I felt sad. But also a relief. Now she was for real gone out of my life. She is now the absentee mother for a reason if death of not being there any longer. Sad but also a relief. I did miss my mother a lot during my early childhood all the way into my early teens.
extra memory;
when stuff unpleasant arises, there is also a question arising "is this really happening? Is this the only thing happening? Is this really going on and on through the sense of time? Am I really suffering? Is this really permanent and unavoidable?" So I looked and it wasn't there. There was memory about it. There was this sense of an urge to re-cling to it. But there was so much more happening right here and that unpleasant thing was just a tiny jerk in the one field that doesn't need to continue. This unpleasant clinging must have this trance like believing in it to feel real and proliferate. It seems there might be a choice in here after all. Not that I can choose what arises within the senses but once there is holding onto a hot coal there is choice to hold onto it or let go of it.
Is this the "continuation-ending" you spoke about shargrol? I certainly can sense such reflecting starting to arise at this time.
10 minutes White Tara mantra while eyes gently gazing on a screw head in the wall in front of me.
20 minutes slow pace noting aloud.
10 minutes radical allowing.
a few minutes just come back to the room I sit in. Reflect and write down 2 memories from the sit (as instructed by shargrol).
2 memories:
1. as soon the mantra started there was that feeling of sinking into mind-body. Heavy body. Light coloured hazy image space. All in just there. Tiny vibrations in arms and hands/fingers. High pitch Nada sound with low rumble under it. Stiff left side of neck and under the shoulder blade. Body twitching every so often in the neck-arms region.
2. had a vision of my mother dead in a coffin. She is alive however. But I let it unfold. I felt sad. But also a relief. Now she was for real gone out of my life. She is now the absentee mother for a reason if death of not being there any longer. Sad but also a relief. I did miss my mother a lot during my early childhood all the way into my early teens.
extra memory;
when stuff unpleasant arises, there is also a question arising "is this really happening? Is this the only thing happening? Is this really going on and on through the sense of time? Am I really suffering? Is this really permanent and unavoidable?" So I looked and it wasn't there. There was memory about it. There was this sense of an urge to re-cling to it. But there was so much more happening right here and that unpleasant thing was just a tiny jerk in the one field that doesn't need to continue. This unpleasant clinging must have this trance like believing in it to feel real and proliferate. It seems there might be a choice in here after all. Not that I can choose what arises within the senses but once there is holding onto a hot coal there is choice to hold onto it or let go of it.
Is this the "continuation-ending" you spoke about shargrol? I certainly can sense such reflecting starting to arise at this time.
terry, modified 3 Months ago at 8/7/23 2:45 PM
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pcd said:
2. had a vision of my mother dead in a coffin. She is alive however. But I let it unfold. I felt sad. But also a relief. Now she was for real gone out of my life. She is now the absentee mother for a reason if death of not being there any longer. Sad but also a relief. I did miss my mother a lot during my early childhood all the way into my early teens.
++++++++++++++++
Sometimes a cigar is a penis.
The world as a habitable planet has expired already, it is lying in its coffin and it is more than a little ripe.
There is the smell of a dead elephant in the room. The knowledge makes us anxious but we repress it, don't face it, and it surfaces in dreams.
On the other hand, the corpse of god (the father) has already ossified and hardly smells at all anymore. One can make ornaments of the fossilized remains.
Never take symbol for allegory.
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And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions
2. had a vision of my mother dead in a coffin. She is alive however. But I let it unfold. I felt sad. But also a relief. Now she was for real gone out of my life. She is now the absentee mother for a reason if death of not being there any longer. Sad but also a relief. I did miss my mother a lot during my early childhood all the way into my early teens.
++++++++++++++++
Sometimes a cigar is a penis.
The world as a habitable planet has expired already, it is lying in its coffin and it is more than a little ripe.
There is the smell of a dead elephant in the room. The knowledge makes us anxious but we repress it, don't face it, and it surfaces in dreams.
On the other hand, the corpse of god (the father) has already ossified and hardly smells at all anymore. One can make ornaments of the fossilized remains.
Never take symbol for allegory.
========
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions
Papa Che Dusko, modified 3 Months ago at 8/8/23 3:13 AM
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40 minutes sitting S-meditation. Open eyes. Aloud.
2 memories:
1. stiff pain under left shoulder blade and left neck. Body twitching approximately every 8-10 seconds. Arms and legs with lots of mild pins and needles. Sense of insects biting skin. A few sharp itches. Image space was hazy but evenly and light in colour (note; at one stage closed the eyes and there was lots of murk and purple haze there but not with open eyes). Thinking about this stage having 3C's flavour.
2. During the radical allowing there was ill will towards something and then ill will towards feeling ill will. Then guilt , then shame. Then reflecting on this.
2 memories:
1. stiff pain under left shoulder blade and left neck. Body twitching approximately every 8-10 seconds. Arms and legs with lots of mild pins and needles. Sense of insects biting skin. A few sharp itches. Image space was hazy but evenly and light in colour (note; at one stage closed the eyes and there was lots of murk and purple haze there but not with open eyes). Thinking about this stage having 3C's flavour.
2. During the radical allowing there was ill will towards something and then ill will towards feeling ill will. Then guilt , then shame. Then reflecting on this.
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40 minutes walking S-meditation. Aloud.
2 memories:
1. head/mind feels like a wast pot of popping popcorn.
2. "how does it feel not to be in control of thisness?"
"don't know, fearful"
"ok friend"
"will I be loved if I stop chameleoning and shapeshifting so to make sure I'm loved and liked by others?"
"and?"
"don't know".
"ok friend"
2 memories:
1. head/mind feels like a wast pot of popping popcorn.
2. "how does it feel not to be in control of thisness?"
"don't know, fearful"
"ok friend"
"will I be loved if I stop chameleoning and shapeshifting so to make sure I'm loved and liked by others?"
"and?"
"don't know".
"ok friend"
Papa Che Dusko, modified 2 Months ago at 10/5/23 2:50 AM
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Good to see ya!
Child tip - as I called it - Daddies little helper--->
L-Theanine
Get some and test drive it....It halted intfincide several times ;oP
~D
Good to see ya!
Child tip - as I called it - Daddies little helper--->
L-Theanine
Get some and test drive it....It halted intfincide several times ;oP
~D
Hey DM! Just got the L-Theanine 400mg capsules. How much do you take per day and when is it best to take it? Morning or evening? Thank you!
Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 10/14/23 1:47 PM
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If you have the time give this video a listen. I'm sure most of us have heard about Gabor Mate through his psychological and spiritual work but I never knew he was a holocaust baby survivor. This video is about him sharing his view on the Palestine-Jerusalem issue.
https://youtu.be/N6_GDDa4bmI?si=eCNlzQw6Jk8n8NJ4
https://youtu.be/N6_GDDa4bmI?si=eCNlzQw6Jk8n8NJ4
finding-oneself *, modified 1 Month ago at 10/14/23 2:26 PM
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Hi Papa che.It's nice to see other people talk about their lives on here.
Best of luck with the job search and I'm sending warmth to you and your newborn.
Interesting to see L Theanine mentioned... It only worked the first time I took it and got a permanent tolerance. But It worked amazing... I'd also add Lavendar oil to the list. You have to INGEST 5 to 7 drops. It stops physical anxiety in its tracks. But it's safer to encapsulate it and eat with a meal I assume, due to essential oils being possibly harmful to the bare skin of your mouth. The meal will help absorb the oil.
Best of luck with the job search and I'm sending warmth to you and your newborn.
Interesting to see L Theanine mentioned... It only worked the first time I took it and got a permanent tolerance. But It worked amazing... I'd also add Lavendar oil to the list. You have to INGEST 5 to 7 drops. It stops physical anxiety in its tracks. But it's safer to encapsulate it and eat with a meal I assume, due to essential oils being possibly harmful to the bare skin of your mouth. The meal will help absorb the oil.
Steph S, modified 26 Days ago at 11/8/23 8:38 PM
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+1 for L-Theanine. I take 400mg before bed along with 400mg of chelated high-absorption Magnesium. In addition to the mood benefits this combo is giving me really good quality sleep.
L-Thenanine is the amino acid that's in matcha and green tea that supposedly makes people still feel chill even though it's caffeinated... versus the jittery edge coffee has. I can't do coffee because it jacks me up way too much. Even caffeinated tea bothers me these days, so getting the L-Theanine benefit on its own in capsule form has been nice.
L-Thenanine is the amino acid that's in matcha and green tea that supposedly makes people still feel chill even though it's caffeinated... versus the jittery edge coffee has. I can't do coffee because it jacks me up way too much. Even caffeinated tea bothers me these days, so getting the L-Theanine benefit on its own in capsule form has been nice.
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Hi Steph! 
Yes it does seem to smooth out certain stuff associated with anxiety.
Im still taking the SSRI and this L-Theanine works well with it I think.
Magnesium I take because of the hard work I now do. Sorting heavy packages in the postal service leaves me with stiff body and sore muscles. Magnesium does help in this case.
D vitamin is another I take daily no matter summer or winter. And my blood test still shows lower levels of D vitamin. Imagine folks who dont take it at all?!!
Thanks for sharing!

Yes it does seem to smooth out certain stuff associated with anxiety.
Im still taking the SSRI and this L-Theanine works well with it I think.
Magnesium I take because of the hard work I now do. Sorting heavy packages in the postal service leaves me with stiff body and sore muscles. Magnesium does help in this case.
D vitamin is another I take daily no matter summer or winter. And my blood test still shows lower levels of D vitamin. Imagine folks who dont take it at all?!!

Thanks for sharing!
Papa Che Dusko, modified 25 Days ago at 11/9/23 12:27 AM
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Thank you for the tip on essential oil! I will look into it!
Btw got a permanent job at my local postal service! Part time but permanent. They seem to be very interested to keep me there.
Thankd for the best wishes!
May you be well!
Btw got a permanent job at my local postal service! Part time but permanent. They seem to be very interested to keep me there.
Thankd for the best wishes!
May you be well!
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A little update;
I can see a tendency to work hard at work so not to be judged as not being good enough. Also a tendency to work hard around others working with me so I stick above them to be a bit better. More not to be bellow ... or as slow as some of them are. So yes, see judging of those who work very slow.
It's both funny and sad how this mind (patterns) come into being and create all sort of "realities" which really are not there if you look. There is bunch of sensory input wrapped in feeling tones and a bunch of body sensations, some imagery, which then proliferates into a narrative which again causes amplified feeling tone and on and on stuff bubbles and pops.
It's possible to "see" these becomings as they are arising. Being "in it" , "allowing it".
Another one;
when sorting the packages there can be a belly-hunger-urge so to speak, and jaws clenching, salivating, hands grabbing ... as if hunting a prey! There is an image of guitar related gear I want to acquire, which would be delivered by post. In a package! I want to grab it and open it! I want to sense the inside of it. To let it enter my visual field. To bite into it!!! Arghhhh!!!!!!!!
Anywho.
This week was on a tough side as my youngest is sick and I keep him at home during the day and go to work in the evening.
He is getting better but I'm now feeling me nose stuffed and sore throat. Life is flourishing in my mucus. May them all be free from suffering, awaken, and be happy.
I can see a tendency to work hard at work so not to be judged as not being good enough. Also a tendency to work hard around others working with me so I stick above them to be a bit better. More not to be bellow ... or as slow as some of them are. So yes, see judging of those who work very slow.
It's both funny and sad how this mind (patterns) come into being and create all sort of "realities" which really are not there if you look. There is bunch of sensory input wrapped in feeling tones and a bunch of body sensations, some imagery, which then proliferates into a narrative which again causes amplified feeling tone and on and on stuff bubbles and pops.
It's possible to "see" these becomings as they are arising. Being "in it" , "allowing it".
Another one;
when sorting the packages there can be a belly-hunger-urge so to speak, and jaws clenching, salivating, hands grabbing ... as if hunting a prey! There is an image of guitar related gear I want to acquire, which would be delivered by post. In a package! I want to grab it and open it! I want to sense the inside of it. To let it enter my visual field. To bite into it!!! Arghhhh!!!!!!!!



Anywho.
This week was on a tough side as my youngest is sick and I keep him at home during the day and go to work in the evening.
He is getting better but I'm now feeling me nose stuffed and sore throat. Life is flourishing in my mucus. May them all be free from suffering, awaken, and be happy.
Martin, modified 25 Days ago at 11/9/23 11:50 AM
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Posts: 647 Join Date: 4/25/20 Recent PostsPapa Che Dusko It's possible to "see" these becomings as they are arising. Being "in it" , "allowing it".
That's the stuff!
I hope the cold lets you off lightly!
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Thanks Martin!
As you say it, that's the stuff and to see it as an object rather than it happening to "me" is why we practice.
Now, one could of course fabricate good behaviour and try to be a nice person pushing under the rag such unpleasant arisings and be a good spiritual person but that will not be of any benefit really.
So it really is about training the mind (through consistent practice) to see stuff as they are. Not self, impermanent, unsatisfactory. These experiences swirl in the field of awareness ... myriads of things ...
Just before seeing your reply here I've replied to Ashley and could notice pride in me offering her input and tips. At first there was a jerk reaction to stop the reply and just not give any advice but then could see that as well and all the bodily sensations associated with it so the body-mind continued to write the reply even if there was all sorts of mind states and feeling tones and body sensations basically trying to get into a solid story of believing "do not write that reply you are too prideful! You think you know better!"
So ...
yeah. Someone once said "a truckload of dung". Welcome to awakening!
Here! You want some?!
As you say it, that's the stuff and to see it as an object rather than it happening to "me" is why we practice.
Now, one could of course fabricate good behaviour and try to be a nice person pushing under the rag such unpleasant arisings and be a good spiritual person but that will not be of any benefit really.
So it really is about training the mind (through consistent practice) to see stuff as they are. Not self, impermanent, unsatisfactory. These experiences swirl in the field of awareness ... myriads of things ...
Just before seeing your reply here I've replied to Ashley and could notice pride in me offering her input and tips. At first there was a jerk reaction to stop the reply and just not give any advice but then could see that as well and all the bodily sensations associated with it so the body-mind continued to write the reply even if there was all sorts of mind states and feeling tones and body sensations basically trying to get into a solid story of believing "do not write that reply you are too prideful! You think you know better!"
So ...



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Good observation! All this stuff comes up in me too: pride, judging of pride, modesty, pride over being modest, etc. There is plenty going on when we notice and, as you say, none of it produced by a self, none of it continuing unchanged from one moment to the next, and none of it worth clinging to for satisfaction. When mindfulness is strong, seeing my own mind work is like standing in a schoolyard filled with children. So much drama! But mostly fine. Mostly nothing that needs changing, or shutting down, and certainly nothing that should be ignored.
One of the things I really like about DhO is being able to rub shoulders with people like you, who actually notice this stuff.
One of the things I really like about DhO is being able to rub shoulders with people like you, who actually notice this stuff.