A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 7/30/16 6:52 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Adam . . 10/15/12 2:15 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 10/19/12 12:41 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Brian K. 10/15/12 4:13 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Brother Pussycat 10/19/12 2:47 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 10/19/12 3:27 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Tommy M 10/19/12 6:50 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Shamadhi Sam 1/20/16 2:14 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Stuie Law 1/20/16 3:28 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Shamadhi Sam 1/21/16 11:24 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Jinxed P 7/31/16 9:59 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Tommy M 11/2/12 4:44 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 11/22/12 3:52 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 10/19/12 3:05 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Tommy M 10/15/12 5:12 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Change A. 10/20/12 7:28 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Change A. 10/26/12 9:17 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing James Yen 11/22/12 5:29 AM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Omega Point 3/1/13 4:57 PM
RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing Tommy M 4/13/13 5:12 PM
Omega Point, modified 7 Years ago at 7/30/16 6:52 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/14/12 11:18 PM

A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts
There are many tangents related to these postures and they have much depth to them, enough to fill a book or two. Part of an entire meta-path. Earlier practices are generally used as a foundation for others. Will simplify significantly to avoid burying in details. No matter what there will be something left out and apologies ahead of time. This has been written intentionally to require discernment.

A very brief dissection concerning the early stages of advanced mental posturing:

There are many takes on Heat Yoga(with varying difficultly). Can be adjusted to fit a variety of goals (including exotic achievements, such as the forceful/wrathful enlightenments). Done sitting, squatting, or standing.

Example: Draw in breath and hold. Keep the abdominal wall somewhat taut. Arc chest up and out. Fabricate/will-to-be a heat-giving 'point' (2-4 fingers below navel; fabrications can be made to fool the brain). Some fabricate a hollowness of the body. Breath still held, skin temperature will increase (heat cycle beginning). Tension and primal aversion will dawn for those who have not cultivated some order of release. After a period of time, with breath still held, an emptiness cycle will dawn. This cycle consists of a variety of states including blisses, differing types of emptiness, the cessation of perception & fruitions. With breath still held, another heat cycle generally will begin (if sufficient in breathless samadhis, then this state can continue for some time).
(This practice appears to increase neuroplasticity via the neuronal energetic-leakage theory proposed by Michael Persinger's understudy and therefor can be combined with various practices effectively assuming a threshold of non-distracted concentration.)
Some drop the willing of a heat giving point, others consider this a mistake, though forcing skin heat due to the holding of the breath, this posture is striving to master willing experiences to being. If concerned about gastric perturbations, then err on the side of fabricating the 'point' along the muscular structure...this also can act as a buffer for learning practices related to manually stuffing channels with energy.

Example: Slowly breathe and generate the experience of the breath as on fire/burning. Maintaining arch in chest. Keep the abdominal wall somewhat taut. Often partial focus is distributed along the edge of the nostrils. As the breath is drawn in, generate the experience of the heat scorching the inside of the chest (best if familiar with a full heat cycle or two with first technique to know where in the chest the heat congregates to achieve proper efficiency in generation of heat). Then adding areas of the body or the whole body. Some will target specific areas ex going back and forth between hands or hand/whole body etc etc. Will generally roll rather slowly between cycles with a stronger emphasis on the heat cycle. The emptiness cycle will have lower rates of the cessation of perception and fruitions and slightly lower rates of the deeper emptinesses. Lower rates of Ki (energy of bodily tension). (With mild effort a skilled yogi can generate a 10 degree differential. With legitimate effort it can be pushed to around double this.)

Example: Letting the lungs rest with some air, gently hold the breath for a few moments and take slow and shallow breaths. Identity the parts of the throat and lungs that open when one breathes. Now instead, stop breathing and maintain the identified openings of the throat and lungs.
This is an effective cultivation of appana-kam jhana. Resist breathing normally, as assuming passageways are open, a subtle twitch of the lungs will circulate enough until the breathless dawns fully. In the beginning, if one hasn't cultivated release, the Ki, primal aversion, or rumination related to survival might provide hindrance. If this is the case take slow and shallow breaths only when absolutely required. Embrace the tension ( and/or push to the chakra of the head and then hold it outside and above the head ). Slightly higher propensity for hallucinatory phenomena. Higher propensity for the temporary attainments: 'state of little bodily resistance' and 'state of no bodily resistance'.

Example(kundalini fire-breathing): Rapidly breathe in and out in an extremely shallow manner. Bellowing the belly with each breath. Occasionally bring your focus to the sensory related to the breath going in and out of the nostrils. (Fabricating the sensory as if the breath were going in and out of the nostrils manipulates the flow of the breath.) There are many minor, unique, and irrelevant aspects to this specific posture.


Both Tsongkhapa and Tilopa say very clearly 'without Karmamudra, there is no <complete> Mahamudra' (or Dzogchen or Tantra or Chan or Zen or Daoist inner alchemy etc).

The complexity of the rlung/prana/chi system in it's entirety is surprising. Many schools consider tummo the foundation of all meditations primarily due to it's influence over the rlung system. Yantra Yoga considers controlling this system and the body superior to meditation, as the mind-stream is prana movement. Only cultivating experiential observation of the system will clear up misunderstandings concerning how the system works. Completing a practice through fabrication alone is a facade of the practice. Willed fabrications are only used to ignite the system and to maintain it's ignition (this changes when all the prana combine into one). Visualization isn't required but can be helpful. The awareness-holder traditions say visualization is merely conventional in general, that mastering the emanation and retraction of rays of light is far more important.

<Examples of minimal and mild direct interaction with the system itself non-related to these postures: By observing the subtle formless activation related to the silent-thinker (that-which-'whispers'-thoughts) when one repeats a mantra or initiates a thought-process, one becomes aware of/involved/entangled with it. The mind can then be postured in such a way to activate the silent thinker but play nothing but 'concentrated silence' or the 'mantra of silence'. Most modern people have 2-4 differing activation potentials related to silent-thinking; one observes then activates all of them. In this way thinking becomes entirely reflexive and can be ceased and held at will.

Further, left with only the subtle and subtlest mind. As with the above, the silent-thinker and the course mind is domesticated. By observing that-which-moves-attention and the subtle formless activation potential related to it, one can get involved and entirely cease the movement of attention. In this way attention becomes entirely reflexive and will only move if commanded.>

Bodily-fabrications work in a slightly different manner than mental-fabrications. There is a different preconditioning that exists with bodily fabrications. The rules for such preconditioning can be altered and there are differing limits relative to mental-fabrications. The nerves in the chest can participate in the co-emergence of the experience of empathy in a fundamentally different way than the nerves in the groin do. There are however states that all nerve-groups have in common. Further, 'bodily fabrications' includes physiological processes. Moreover, there is obviously an intercomplimentary relationship between the fabrications (rlung is primary), as bodily fabrications can be consolidated into mental fabrications and mental fabrications can be consolidated into bodily fabrications.

Different chakras/wheels represent different manifestations of such bodily-fabrication preconditioning. Merely awakening each of basic blisses at each of the respective 5 wheels is generally considered enough to pass beyond to the next stage of this path (preferable to partially/fully awaken the great blisses). There is much depth beyond this bare minimum, including a fruition that reprograms root awareness. These practices can be adjusted to fit a variety of goals. Obviously this should be done without any grasping.

"...There are two approaches to the practice: first to establish stable clarity in the radiant appearance of the channels and chakras for a prolonged period of time; and not to do so. The former is the most effective approach. The (Indian) mahasiddha Lawapa also gave the advice that we should cultivate the radiant appearance of the channels."

Example (basic): With actual coitus; visualization of coitus; pornography; the meditative heat itself; all experience or non-duality/non-conceptuality itself being the supporting object to activate arousal vis-a-vis evolutionary program and/or resolve (depending on yogic strength).
Utilize one or many of the tummo examples (with differing effects upon arousal, bliss, etc, etc). Will the heat from the stomach to the chest or starting from the chest; transmute and migrate the bliss that arises through the arousal, in conjunction with the heat, to the chest. The bliss emanating from this area will fill the whole body with a bliss 'like warm butter melting in the sun'. A warm orgasmic whole-body senate is indicative that the bliss is activated enough to roll the heat/bliss through the throat area. Often in the beginning there is a need to practice moving the prana specifically between two wheels. Take two wheels and roll prana back and forth, with prana being unconditioned or conditioned by any wheels in between the two (at one's command). Whether or not prana goes through or passes by to another wheel can be made wholly dependent on will. Now instead of the whole field of experience being primarily conditioned through the chest bliss, fabricate in a way so the chest-based-bliss is additionally enjoyed through the lens of the meta-enjoyment throat area. One should finally roll the heat/bliss up and through the head (occasionally causing emptiness cycles).

Merely awakening the blisses does not ignite the great nature (one has to stroke the flame of each bliss considerably to get it to a roaring fire).
One needs to become absorbed in the chest area heat with non-conceptuality and/or altruism if/when any of the blisses are causing outward emissions, both regular ejaculate and prostate fluid itself. Occasionally will experience a bliss (a similar but generally faint bliss when compared) associated with prostate reverse-ejecting fluid upwards...this can happen with regular tummo as well, generally during the beginning of emptiness cycles or with a heat cycle that has been intentionally prolonged.

Beginner may run into dopamine tolerance and may find arousal difficult. May accidentally develop less-useful dispassion and small potential for forms of liberation (there are obviously myriad types of enlightenment/liberation), both temporary and non, that besmirch the progress along this meta-path. Both in terms of mastering unsurpassed compassion/bodhicitta/4 immeasurable joys and utilizing the passions to control powerful bodily forces. A dispassionate detachment in relation to the disciplined summoning of the passions is quite different than the less-useful dispassion. Reverse the flow back to the genital region if this is the case and cause desire.

Independent of dopamine tolerance (which is eventually transcended completely; appearing related to natural processes that mirror optogenetics) occasionally one will have to reverse the wheels and reignite the energy/bodily-awareness with bliss. One can pull all the rlung/prana that allows fabrication entirely from an area of nerves, reverse the wheels/chakras and use tummo to push back to the area. Once the 'stream of bliss' has picked up again, continue the flow pushing the heat and bliss upwards. There are diverging ways to fabricate and force gratification (dopamine-type). Yogis of only average capacity will rely heavily in the on constant stroking of animal-like lust/desire.

If one overly fabricates (manual stuffing of channels with prana) or becomes overly absorbed on specific sub-channels for too long without occasionally distributing the fabrication or reversing the wheels, the prana will become extremely energetic and will resist certain types of fabrications. If one hasn't achieved or can't actively cultivate release or non-conceptuality or emptiness then the experience of this energetic prana can be discomforting/painful.

Most at this point change the flavor-of-experience for fabrications and can cease most fabrications. When one allows the hyper-energetic prana, it can become far too physiological to extinguish easily (completely cease in a moment or two).
If one forces the hyper-energetic prana and generates large amounts of bodily/energetic desire being-willed-from the base of the spine, the shatki phenomena will dawn in the spine and/or groin. At this point regardless of whether one is maintaining the hyper-energetic prana (as long as for a threshold period and a threshold amount of this type of perturbed prana) in a specific area or one is choosing to roll it up or down the wheels/chakras, the system is ripe for the kundalini to arise. Either in through the groin or behind this, in the spine. Often with twin channels being filled with dynamic hyper-energetic (this time to the nth degree) prana that without certain orders of release/emptiness/non-conceptuality will 'nip and bite' the nerves. Each tummo method will work the kundalini up differently when it has dawned in these ways.

<note: the thigle/phantasm is a different phenomena than kundalini (though can be conditioned by kundalini), the thigle relates to visions and the bardo in a way the kundalini does not and does not progress along the channels in any similar way; kundalini is a pure phenomena arising from the power of a deep and subtle desire. The power of the energetic sexual dance that perpetuates the living.>

Other phenomena of the many include an energetic orgasm built from the mingling of the blisses (even if not great blisses). Generally from a point behind the testicles, upwards a great orgasmic swooning that upon reaching the head, will cause varying blissful emptinesses. Often becoming extinguished by the gaiety into the emptinesses including the cessation of perception. A specific fruition can but rarely dawns with the weaker practices/less-than-great blisses. A special type of extinction due to the bliss, leading to a few respective levels of persisting innate/orgasmic bliss (depending on a variety of factors including the type, depth, and span of the ignited blisses, heats, and other fabrications at the moment of and leading up to the extinction). A reprogramming of the awareness at the level of the unborn. (There is a difference between the mid-term blisses born through momentum of the practice following along, post practice, and the permanent blisses born from the novel extinctions.)

Further phenomena include all the winds (prana) combining into one throughout all the channels. Initially and into a mid-term, will have considerable prana movement throughout the whole body. This has a chance of occurring after sufficient rounds of heat have burned away most-to-all blockages (including from regular tummo). Further, for most it will dawn eventually (threshold differs per yogi) as one matures along these paths. Differing pros and and cons arrive. Some have to relearn the manipulation of specific channels, and moving prana back and forth. Certain states and samadhis become much easier and intuitive (ex. varying reflexive levels of non-conceptuality/non-objectification; absorptions beyond the senses; gyulu practices). Fabricating antidotes becomes more difficult for some while directly interacting with the rlung system becomes easier.

A phenomena generally relating to the winds combining are the outer signs pertaining to the appearance of the clear light. This usually occurs prematurely. If complete ego-death isn't already achieved, it will begin simultaneously as the body begins it's purification. Specifically the outer signs are disturbances and disorders caused by the installation process of the clear-light. Subtle & habitual prana mis-patterning is due to an energetic echo of ego. Even if one has extinguished ego, this energetic-pranic echo can still be. This will be also ceased by the time the actual-clear light dawns; the actual clear-light is entirely different then this early dawning clear-light. The clear-light installation coalescing with with the energetic mis-patterning causes friction (disorders etc).
Including (one or many symptoms may arise, depending on various factors including the rate of evolution pertaining to any one specific yogi):
Various sharp and/or random pains can happen throughout the body and in specific or all the channels. Heat and cold disorders like hot flashes and temperature oscillations. Bloating, swelling, and sores. Illness and pure appearance of illness may arise; the appearances will not generally respond to medications properly. Joint pain, gout, and other arthritic symptoms. Lymph node disorders are possible, neutral lymph changes are rather normal. Specific types of archetypal visions. Some temporarily lose a grip on their behavior to a degree. Temporarily one's behavior doesn't align with one's speech. Idle sometimes random chatter, babbling. Speaking offensively in an unskillful way (different than forceful speech born from skillful-compassion). Concentration may become suddenly interruptible (sometimes even to those who prior could pass beyond the 5 senses or also those who could cause and reflexively hold the cessation of perception) One may occasionally pass out. Hunger, thirst, and restlessness.

If the yogi is experienced and of decent faculties, one will see 'vajra strands/hairs' never ceasing and eventually pearl-like when non-abiding and lattices and half-lattices through the power and momentum of abiding. This is indicative of a specific type of liberation through the channels. <This specific phenomena is utilized to mark and accomplish several accomplishments past this stage as well.>

Train and strengthen the Pubococcygeus muscle to act as a buffer to protect from outward emissions. Utilize a technique common to the west for sexual performance. Contract the muscle thirty times here and there throughout the day. Eventually use light towels to weight lift. Bring oneself to orgasm and then contract muscle and separate the orgasm from the ejaculation. One can modify this further and can reverse the wheel-flow and one will be protected from outward emissions. Except for beginners when the circumstance arises where the emission is forced to move either out or reversed.

Example (advanced):
<What follows should be handled with caution. This isn't for those who have heart problems, those who are elderly, those beset by poor health, or those with poor concentration. At points during the learning and mastering of what follows, if one keeps an untamed mind, one will have various bodily repercussions.>

Dedication/determination are required, as this is generally difficult to cultivate/overcome. Preferable for those who have cultivated some order of release; nonconceptuality; nonfabrication; emptiness. Those who can achieve and hold the cessation of perception and/or the cessasion of forms. Those who have completely tamed or completely killed the I-maker. Those who have achieved moderate non-duality. Those of approximate contemplative strength. Most lack the gumption for this practice and for the completion of this meta-path.

Utilizing the aforementioned arousal based supporting objects, one utilizes the held-breath heat yoga. As the prana is pulled towards the central channel, actively fabricate various pleasures associated with the groin. Observe the fabricated senate inverting due to the wheel/chakra reversal caused by the held breath heat yoga. When one fabricates pleasure with this inversion, an entirely altered set of senate become available (males have more than twice the range of pleasurable sexual sensations then most know). One can move/alter this fabrication either direction by altering the movement of the wheels via the held breath or will.

From the perspective of a male body.
By observing the muscles and primarily the urethra while the wheels are reversed in favor of moving the rlung into the central channel, manipulation and eventual control through will alone of the flow of the urethra is achieved. Both air and fluids can be drawn into or held in the body this way. Those with poorer faculties may need to generate fabrications while placing the penis more vertically. Some facilitate the reverse-emission by pressing on the prostate or pushing up slightly from underneath the testicles. This allows for easier measurement of the flow function. When one is mapping this area out when first gaining control, mentally discern through the visceral map the difference between the path to the bladder and the path to the prostate. Generally avoid reversing or putting air into the bladder. Again direct physical repercussions will come to those who don't have general reflexive control over their attention, what it sticks to, and it's movement. Urinary track issues, sudden reversal of flow while urinating, prana stuck in the prostate, etc. are all repercussions directly resulting from a lack of discipline. Don't cause unnecessary outwards emissions, this severely handicaps the practice . A practice where one is outwardly emitting every day or every other day while practicing a few hours a day is a faint joke compared to a practice where the emissions have been held everyday for ~two weeks while practicing a few hours a day. Weaker yogis might have trouble breaking this evolutionary addiction in the mid-term.

Again poor concentration is a disqualifier, as it necessitates risk and complications.
One will take control of certain functions of the body to ultimately cause a physiological/psychological fruition. Taking operational control of the body isn't a game, and exploring outside the realm of this practice can not be considered anything but risky with no proper guidance. One can literally discover lethality. For example, one can accidentally learn how to get quite involved with the process of the hormone or circulatory system, which can potentially cause death.

Considering the above and with the supporting-objects: Utilize various forms of the heat yoga, held-breath being an emphasis. Cause the blisses. Fabricate a whole-system orgasm before the held-breath/heat causes the upwards flow, or in harmony with this held-breath/heat process, sexualizing it.
Those of lesser experience may have to rely on the sexualization of the senate/heat/etc; there are differing categories of sexual senate with respective pros and cons. If one cannot induce orgasm directly through prana movement, will need to generate a myriad of sexual nerve fabrications related to the genitals. Fabricate the orgasm as a cause for ejaculation.

The place for reverse emission is closer to the prostate than the energetic orgasmic point behind the testicles; standard reverse-emissions generally emphasize the prostate aspect, the special extinction requires a reversed full orgasm & emission where both aspects and fluids of the full emission arise; know this to be a huge difference. Again make sure one knows the difference between the route to the bladder and the route to the prostate via visceral map. Utilize the pre-acquired control over the urethra to protect from outward emission (some draw additional air through the reversing of the urethra).
Generally focus on the point behind the testicles that surges bliss upwards when the wheels are reversed and cause the upward flow during orgasm. Focus and direct the bliss from this point to the head and cause extinction or emptinesses. The fluids are brought up and into the system either through the force of the upwards flow or manually through entangled concentration and directing the system via fabrications.

In the beginning, if one comes across a forced outwards emission, focus intently on the point behind the testicles. Reverse the flow to the head, causing varying emptinesses and occasional cessation. One may then ride the energetic momentum of the middle or end of the orgasm/emission. Catching and reverse-emitting some, gaining knowledge and experience concerning the super-bliss state and visceral map functioning. This is less needed if one is somewhat experienced with basic tummo, as generally this energetic point becomes occasionally active and reversive.

If the kundalini had awoken during this session, and if the extinction was performed well, the kundalini will be solidified and imprinted permanently into the system (with the associated nootropic activation; kundalini itself and it's myriad side effects/tangents will be left to rest considering information density; a threshold of non-conceptuality is key to kundalini obstacles). Generally stabilized assuming prior diligence. The kundalini and the shakti can both rise up the spine or through a substrate/system that is fitted more generally across all the experience. Moves through the pathway the tummo heat does (some would conventionally say in the 'center of one's being'). Ideally a stabilization of both routes can occur.
If correct control was demonstrated over the heat, the fluids, the energy, and the blisses are brought to a great roaring blaze...then the special extinction will bring about an impregnation of the awareness. An impregnation of powerful and perpetual orgasmic youthful gaiety.

There is a distinction in function/effect between orgasm/fabrications-relating-to-orgasm and ejaculation/fabrications-relating-to-ejaculation as far as the brain is concerned.
The male brain most resembles a female's brain right after ejaculation-related brain mechanisms fire (including fabrications where one convinces the brain of the effect without forcing actual emission, also applies in specific circumstances when causing an orgasm and/or reverse or regular emission of the prostate alone). Also a ripe time to generate heart fabrications. The success, authenticity and quality of the heart fabrications depends on many factors including the various pros and cons demonstrated by the differing enlightenments/liberations present (i.e. mastering and generating the highest and most unexcelled compassion/bodhicitta is generally blunted severely by many of the liberations etc).

Early on, one may go through spurts of hyper-sexuality and through spurts of non-sexuality. Peace eventually dawns in relation to the sexual evolutionary programs. Further, if one wishes, one can remove sexual perception. In line with Padmasambhava and Mohandas Gandhi, one dwells with the perception of being mother, with others being sons and daughters.

Those that have gone far in the specific bardo, the rebirth-bardo of the mind-stream, using the Tibetan jugular-strangulation technique (one of the actual-death techniques) claim that one sees one's future parents copulating. As one gets closer to the region of genital contact a bliss occurs. One enters the region and faints into unconsciousness from the intensifying bliss.
The series of postures are thought to recreate that very special bliss within one's own body, and transmute this bliss with one's awareness. 5 distinct blisses conjoin into a super-bliss that impregnates the root of one's awareness. Reprogramming the state of awareness to perpetual bliss. This isn't about merely finding peace, this is also about progressing along one's way to mastery over the medium of illusion and building a phenomenal paradise. The conquering of the frolic. The disciplined emanation of jubilation. The very beginning of the bliss-body.

Upon having a rather effective supporting object, the great-bliss practices and the heat practices can be learned together from the beginning. Having certain yogic strength is prerequisite. Vigorous summoning of desire and/or threshold knowledge of emptiness/fabrication manipulation (such as sexualizing the heat/bodily tension) allows the non-arising of aversion during the entire heat-cycle (diligence is master and key for yogis of weak faculties).
In this way one practices under the specific path category of 'Vajrasattva buddha-mind'. Practicing through the natural purity of the aggregate of consciousness, practicing & achieving purity without the renunciation of aversion.
There are a great number of path categories, with texts and mantras devoted to listing them; most often through triple entendre-like coding. Another being the 'Vairocana buddha-body' path category. Practicing through the natural purity of the aggregate of form, practicing & achieving purity without the renunciation of delusion.
<i.e. under inspection, actualism/af is an incomplete echo of this; with additional path tendencies of the 'Ratnamsambhava buddha-attributes', unknowingly due to lack of academic rigor>
The Ratnasambhava buddha-attributes path category, practicing through the natural purity of the aggregate of feelings, practicing & achieving purity without the renunciation of pride.
Sakyamuni, prodigy & trailblazer, achieved an emanational buddha form that acted on behalf of sentience practicing through the natural purity of attachment.

"If he wishes to dwell perceiving the repulsive in what is not repulsive, he dwells thus perceiving the repulsive. If he wishes to dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in what is repulsive, he dwells thus perceiving the unrepulsive. If he wishes to dwell perceiving the repulsive both in what is repulsive and what is not repulsive, if he wishes to dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in both..., he dwells thus. If he wishes, avoiding both the repulsive and unrepulsive, to dwell equanimous, mindful and clearly aware, he dwells thus, equanimous, mindful and clearly aware, or, attaining the heart's release called 'beautiful' he abides there. I declare that the heart's release by loving-kindness has the beautiful for its excellence."

Bodhisattva inclined should ideally take the supporting object as the great non-dual dakini or guru. The primordial mother that births the clear-light. Moreover, if one's bodhicitta or immeasurable joys are strong enough (for those of greater faculties; with moderate experience using the function of emptiness), then these can act as the supporting object, in myriad or individually.
Should transmute desire to the heartfelt desire for beings to be free from suffering. Further cultivate an outshining resolve for bodhicitta and specifically to master this practice to lead beings in this life and/or with emanational bodies.
If one has the 4 immeasurables or other heart fabrications like the varying securities (including emotionally based) as primary and ignited well when one reaches the threshold point when trying to reach the special extinction, then these can be impregnated into awareness when the extinction happens. One can impregnate rich and unbound emotional fulfillment and emotional intimacy with all. This is a liberation of heart fabrications. These states when ignited well prior and upon impregnation, generally show much stronger entactogenic effects than described by entactogen users. <afterwards, through disciplined non-fabrication, one can temporarily reduce into potentials; regardless the root state remains radically altered> Only upon dedicating the bliss and karma of the practice to all beings for the sake of their mastery/liberation & security, will one experience extraordinary visions of yogis dawning before one and blessing one's heart. My experience tells me it absolutely appears to be the prerequisite for several bodhisattva-only samadhi/vision states.

This is to remain only a reference as much guided experiential cultivation is required or else instabilities can arise.

There are many ways and aspects to meditate on concerning the unreality of the illusory world.
Secondly, meditating on all as being lucid dream, causing dramatic relationship changes with the senses and the sleep and dream states. Ceasing dreaming all together utilizing the various clear-lights of sleep(subjectivity can continue throughout 99% of the entire sleeping period). Beyond or before this one can cause a constant and consistent round or singular lucid dream every night, where occasionally the a quick cessation of perception occurs and if one is aware and intends to remain beyond it, the lucid experience merely continues. The degree to which lucidity can be pushed will shock most. Eventually integrating this state, where one can exist beyond dream or within a dream fabricated to whichever degree one chooses.
Thirdly, meditating on it being the bardo, which is reserved for those who have experienced the bardo, as there is a specific quality that is to be drawn out that is very distinct to the specific quality of the lucid-dream perception. Again causing rather dramatic changes.

This mind is of the current conclusion that many of these details are to be kept for those who can demonstrate a threshold of stability, determination, faculties in general etc. If you are someone who seriously wants to complete these practices (prerequisites being completion of this meta-path up to this point and the above stated) then post (and pm me) and over the next 2 years a detailed correspondence might be held.

Eventually, special tangents can be followed. Example, one can decode and unravel the senses themselves, allowing the mind to generate and sustain hallucinations of all types. If one is truly skilled (and mentally hearty) and some degree of the non-actual clear light has dawned, then one can completely fill the experience with fabrications. One can make a human or an inanimate object look like something else like a dog etc. The sense-doors themselves are made reflexive. One begins to see the bardo of the living for what it is.

After this stage, one is halfway through this meta-path. After this, one strokes a fuller awakening of the clear-light (many have to awake the actual clear-light before the bardo will dawn). After this, one practices bringing the bardo visions (example of the interconnectedness of these practices, as most cannot complete the illusory body until they have had a taste or two of the bardo; it is rare but not unheard of to experience the bardo before this stage, as this mind had many times).
After one utilizes bardo yoga to dawn the actual illusory body and the actual clear-light, one abides unmoving one's mind for long periods of time. One isn't to allow a single moment of mental movement for several hours hours a day, while being absorbed on various wheels. Abiding in this way for quite some time leads to a samadhi, after which a special type of fruition occurs and one leaves the trance a type of Buddha with the coalescence and integration of the actual illusory body and actual clear-light.
This proves to just be a beginning of sorts as then there are practices related to fully bringing the state of a pureland into mind. Leading to some of the most advanced states ever practiced in this world, such as waking sambhogakaya pure-land emanation/visionary samadhis. Actual ground and actual dharmakaya practices.

There are greater and lesser pococuranti. With unexcelled knowledge or conduct, with both, with neither.
Believe only that you yourself have tested and judged truly if the testing and judging stands equivalent to the highest possible conception of testing and judging.
Don't fall into the trap Stephen Batchelor did. Moreover don't settle for habitual cynicism, naive realism, justifying and projecting one's shortcomings, or anything but the highest possible conception. This would be nothing but settling for less. This behooves any seeking the unexcelled knowledge and conduct.
Adam , modified 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 2:15 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 2:15 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 613 Join Date: 3/20/12 Recent Posts
Thanks for this detailed explanation of these practices!

I have 1 request if you don't mind.

Could you give a brief explanation how and when "primary practice" or "direct practice" or "non-meditation" or whatever else it is called, which I take to be trying to fabricate nothing, is utilized in this path you are laying out?
Brian K, modified 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 4:13 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 4:13 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 142 Join Date: 4/18/12 Recent Posts
Do u have any books suggesting where this can be read about in more detail? I'm not very familiar with these techniques at all but they sound interesting and I'd like to learn about them in more detail. Thanks.
Tommy M, modified 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 5:12 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/15/12 5:12 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 1199 Join Date: 11/12/10 Recent Posts
I see what you meant about your having dissected this stuff! Thanks for posting this, I'll need to really go through this in detail 'cause it's packed with great info.
Omega Point, modified 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 12:41 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 12:41 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts
Fair request,

First let me reemphasize that these practices have been utilized individually & together in various combinations, occasionally with additions. On top of this, the series of postures can be practiced with differing emphasis (i.e. the mentioned path categories).

Historically, the majority of buddhist monks and yogis and laypeoples were left primarily to themselves to determine their exact meditative routines beyond certain principles and core posturing advice (otherwise has been a relatively new phenomena). There was generally a stronger emphasis on a yogi coming into his own and refining technical variants, unlike the last ~60-70 years. To some degree unlike the last ~200-230 years.

With the above in mind & beyond these practices in particular: Some prefer to practice one or two practices primarily for longer periods. Others prefer to oscillate practices daily, weekly. Some prefer to oscillate through many practices even during their daily routine.

Moreover, to your point, to some degree it depends on how much time you are allowing for practice every day. Someone utilizing these postures working 12 hours a day with 90 minutes to practice will have a supremely different meditative routine (and options) to someone practicing in full retreat. Further, someone who is capable of sustaining non-abiding practices of sorts will have their routine consist of the majority-to-all of the day (if dream yoga & clear light of sleep). Remember, yogis are primarily the ones who have been practicing these postures. Generally, natural meditations should be & were practiced at all times when not doing something preventative or another practice. Non-abiding practices are almost universally associated with natural meditations, and facilitating perpetual practice.

Concerning abiding practices & natural meditations, in general. There is more of a range of practices rather than an 'it' (trul khor dynamic asanas included). Simply put, the phrases you refer to in general and particular have meant slightly different things in different contexts. From practices that perturb the arising of the visions (ex. darkness retreats), to practices that disallow the movement of rlung system including mind, to practices that go beyond the senses, including the cultivation and extension of the 9th liberation (cessation of perception). Further, even the phrase 'trying to fabricate nothing' will yield a variety of differing extrapolations to experience based on person & factors.

Moreover, many particular natural meditations are influenced considerably by the particular yogi and one's present yogic faculties/meditative momentum. ex. A person of low faculties and/or reflexive control will skilllessly ruminate while participating in non-meditating. A person of mid faculties will be primarily attentive to the body, 'external form', and the subtle mind while participating in the approximately equivalent non-meditation. A person of high faculties, when participating in the approximately equivalent non-meditation, will be primarily attentive to the 'great conceptionless' found when awareness has turned in on itself and has separated from the body & mind.

Considering the above, I generally advise natural meditation breaks inbetween every few rounds of heat/emptiness cycling with tummo.
When actively working on the great blisses, management of rlung system & emissions, natural meditations can be oscillated into to stabilize/measure the the ignition and present level of bliss.
At the end of each iteration of the practice, non-meditation accomplishes several things including an increased protection against over-measuring physiological processes.
Somewhere between the clearing of the blockages and the winds combining into one, non-meditation will generally start bringing prana into the central channel. Efficacy arising from integration into the routine increases.
A heavy emphasis is placed on non-meditation when one is transitioning from the regular clear-light to the actual clear light -as natural meditations are used to facilitate the bardo visions. A heavy emphasis is additionally asserted when one is fully actualizing the buddha states.

If one isn't already skilled at generating experience, then remain steadfast, assiduous & pertinacious!
Brother Pussycat, modified 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 2:47 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 2:47 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 77 Join Date: 12/21/11 Recent Posts
Omega Point, modified 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 3:05 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 3:05 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts

I wrote from implicit knowledge of pith instructions, direct experience, & hundreds of texts. Therefor I have no specific book to recommend.
Assume that most books on the subject will be generally introductory and devoid of pith knowledge. This aggregate of postures is generally referred to as the six yogas of naropa.

Beyond this, if one wants to really scout out the details, one has to go above and beyond and assimilate many many texts (including honing one's ability to decipher the available entendres & transliterary issues). Remember, even a thousand texts is a drop in the bucket. Considering the severe lack of organization due to geopolitical reasons, diligence is prime.

I wish there was a more organized and consolidated source of information I could point you to. I have not had the time to write a book on these particular stages.

Omega Point, modified 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 3:27 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 3:27 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts
Good link

I must say that LocoAustriaco, the one giving instruction, has misconceptions. Still worth looking over for those unfamiliar, as he provides nice details deconstructing one of the main methods.

Further don't fall into the trap where one thinks one is 'fully enlightened' after only a month of an hour a day basic tummo practice. This stopped Loco from practicing and caused his loss of meditative momentum.

Tommy M, modified 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 6:50 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/19/12 6:40 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 1199 Join Date: 11/12/10 Recent Posts
There's a good video that guy on Kenneth's site posted on Tsa Lung, it's Tezin Wangyal Rinpoche doing the exercises and the explanations of the basic preparatory practices are really practical and straightforward.

Tsa Lung

Just found another good one related to this, TWR gives a really nice breakdown of this in his book on Dream Yoga as well which is worth checking out.

The Nine Breathings of Purification
Change A, modified 11 Years ago at 10/20/12 7:28 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/20/12 7:28 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 791 Join Date: 5/24/10 Recent Posts
Thank you for taking the time to write this post Omega Point. I have started with the Heat Yoga technique described by you in the first example.
Change A, modified 11 Years ago at 10/26/12 9:17 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 10/26/12 9:17 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 791 Join Date: 5/24/10 Recent Posts
Omega Point:
<i.e. under inspection, actualism/af is an incomplete echo of this; with additional path tendencies of the 'Ratnamsambhava buddha-attributes', unknowingly due to lack of academic rigor>

I knew that Actualism is an incomplete path and that Vajrayana must have considered it in some ways as I could easily see even with my limited knowledge and experiential experience with Vajrayana that there is no way that something could have been missed out. But I couldn't put my finger as to what. With your better understanding, you have been able to do that. Actualists definitely do lack academic rigor.
Tommy M, modified 11 Years ago at 11/2/12 4:44 PM
Created 11 Years ago at 11/2/12 4:44 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 1199 Join Date: 11/12/10 Recent Posts
I've edited and reformatted that thread as part of a new project I'm working on, here's the link to the blog where you can download it.

Loco Austriaco's Instructions on Tummo

Omega Point, modified 11 Years ago at 11/22/12 3:52 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 11/22/12 3:52 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts
Sir & all,
Excellent links above and excellent reformatting. Makes it much more accessible.

Beyond this, I will answer a few questions and very briefly touch on one or two of loco austriaco's misconceptions.

[These questions relate primarily to the first tummo example]

1. what did you mean by fabricate the heat-giving point "along the muscular structure?"

One can fabricate heat among varying degrees of depth. So deeper into the abdominal cavity or along the muscles themselves etc, with varying differences. One of the positive things about fabricating along the muscles themselves is if practicing more intensively with the bliss practices etc and one temporarily loses control of overly energetic channels, then one can use one of the muscles that can absorb excessive activity without much discomfort. Unlike if this overly energetic activity is released deeper into the body cavity, as quite a bit more discomfort will sometimes be reported.
Another, if those who loco mentioned raised their fabrication a finger or two up & made to be more shallow along the muscular structure, then the stomach issue should cease for most.

2. when I fabricate the heat-giving point should I simply experience the point *as* hot or should I actively will heat to come from it and spread out?

This depends on one's goals. If mastery of heat generation itself is something you are after, then both; also practice rolling the heat to the hands without it deceasing in temperature. Further consider that some adept yogis would sleep with little cover, and maintained their tummo while sleeping (some yogis avoid sleep for very very long periods of time) or died. Thus one should be able to sleep and maintain constant meditative heat.

Much direct, more advanced control of the rlung system involves only small amounts of the heat, so either suits these types of goals.

In context of the first tummo example, both lead to the same results for that practice. Much of the fabrication is to become adept at the other tummo examples and further along the advanced path in general.

3. how long should the breath be held for each round?

I am not saying throw caution to the wind, however loca austriaco's assessment of this is based on scientism of sorts. First, the general layperson concern for not ceasing breath beyond two to three in half minutes is generally based on the actual concern for not having blood-flow to the brain for over 4 minutes. During held breath exercises, both breathless jhanas & held-breath tummo, blood is still flowing, the heart is still pumping. Therefor this concern is somewhat unfounded.

Stig Severinsen under certain circumstances has held his breath for over twenty minutes, has his phd, has been tested repeatedly, and academically preforms well. Above water he has held is breath over 8 minutes several times.



"Contrary to what doctors tell you, you DO NOT get brain damage. Several doctors have researched my brain (PET/MR/CT scans) and never have found any evidence of neural damage. The important thing to remember is that the heart beats all the time, so oxygen is distributed to all cells, but of course you must be able to lower your metabolism and not burn too much oxygen. "

"Doctor here! (Well, medical graduate, not practicing at the moment). The basis behind neural damage from lack of oxygen is based on the idea of cardiovascular collapse. In other words, your heart stops and your organs absorb the oxygen in the local vessels, and then it's out. It has been proven (obviously), that as long as circulation continues your body holds ample oxygen. It's why newer CPR schemes have given up on breathing.

You can test this with a pulse oximeter. Hook it up to yourself and it should be 98-100% saturation. Now hold your breath as long as you can! For most people, it'll never go below 95% before you have to breath. I don't know about these divers, I'd really like to see it. How long it goes before you really have damage is up to much debate. 0% is bad though. "

"Pulse-ox are inaccurate below 60%. Reference is Tobin MJ Methods of Intensive Care Unit Monitoring, 2004 (I think, it's at work now).

I'm a lung/sleep/ICU doctor. I regularly see patients with terrible sleep apnea get below 70% during REM sleep for about 45 minutes. Many times they are below 80% for the majority of the night, regardless of the stage of sleep.

Being below 80% for 10 minutes or so does absolutely nothing. I've seen patients in the ICU at 80% for a week and they're still totally with it.

But do this every night, for years on end, and it will catch up with you."

So there is some room to breath concerning this issue, one can go several minutes without issue.
Further, the actual breathless state is natural & tension and can be triggered from the rlung system etc. Some anatomists, such as one who is involved in the mind & life project, another who I have communicated with, have experimented on animals and have found that they can completely deprive them from oxygen for over an hour with no damage to the organs as long as trace levels of hydrogen sulphide were fed to the organs. We have trace amounts of hydrogen sulphide in our blood, the idea is that certain practices naturally increase these trace levels (along with other epigenetic changes). Further that samadhi relates to primal evolutionary hibernation programs.
This indicates that the length of time the vitals can go without blood-flow is also likely increased after this process has happened.

Also, the breathless states are often associated with gaining control over the death process. Which shouldn't shock, as phenoptosis, which in this case is referring to the cell-death program, being what usually really kills us. Newer theories abound about how adding carbon monoxide or hydrogen sulphide to the cells while lowering the oxygen supply while the program triggers may avert the program from functioning.

4. how many breaths should i take between rounds?

A few or transition into the rapid extreme-shallow breath example (the kundalini fire-breathing).
I practiced a lot in line with Samantabhadra & Vajrasattva (natural purity of mental consciousness/natural purity of the aggregate of consciousness) and practiced much heat yoga at the same time as the bliss practices (already had a seasoned knowledge of emptiness and fabricating experience). While generating blisses/other fabrications, I often would oscillate between the first tummo example, the fourth rapid shallow pseudobreathing tummo example, and simple non-practice (no movement of mind or body, save constant paced slow-breathing).

5. are there any warnings about how long I practice/when I practice? I've heard not to practice on a full stomach or in proximity to sleeping.

It is true that there have been various warnings that have accumulated, many listed by loco. Considering the possible issues that can arise from more advanced stages are more serious, some of the general heat yoga warnings are more inconveniences than anything. A full stomach might cause some indigestion for some, as other use it to pass things passed their stomach like mucus. Some have told me it only bothered their stomachs after eating, once they were told that it would. I practiced the bliss practice coupled with the heat before I went to sleep, even practicing for several hours straight before the sleep. I had no problems going to sleep, either sleeping regularly or as is common, sleeping less but fuller for the time. Often not being able to sleep isn't considered a problem but a good thing by adept yogis, as sleeping is achieved through a sinking-mind state that is considered worth avoiding (like all sinking-mind states).
Other 'issues' like over sexing, or attempting to manually stuff individual channels, are often utilized and no longer avoided in later more advanced and subtle stages.

The early stages should not be much of a serious issue for anyone, some of weaker faculties might have behavioral problems adjusting in the short-term to hormonal fluctuations. Various bodily issues as mentioned before. Greater caution is needed for the middle to late stages of the advanced path in general (well past the first tummo example) as if one isn't in retreat during certain moments, the demands of modern life can push a few into temporary psychological instability.

La Paix
James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 11/22/12 5:29 AM
Created 11 Years ago at 11/22/12 5:29 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 270 Join Date: 9/6/09 Recent Posts
Hey bro!

What I've read in the anuttarayoga tantras is that the Illusory Body, is not a practice per se, or at least the instructions are not given, but rather it is a culmination of the practice of the particular tantra (I've also read that the Father tantras encourage an illusory body goal) when the four emptinesses arise.

Basically the practitioner's vital essences contract into the heart drop and he or she undergoes physical death and when he or she subsequently re-arises it is in a deity's body. Hence the term: "illusory body".

I've also read that a Karma Mudra is ABSOLUTELY necessary.

Except maybe in Kalachakra.

What's your opinion on that?

Omega Point, modified 10 Years ago at 3/1/13 4:57 PM
Created 10 Years ago at 3/1/13 4:57 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 39 Join Date: 7/14/12 Recent Posts
"What I've read in the anuttarayoga tantras is that the Illusory Body, is not a practice per se, or at least the instructions are not given, but rather it is a culmination of the practice of the particular tantra (I've also read that the Father tantras encourage an illusory body goal) when the four emptinesses arise.
Basically the practitioner's vital essences contract into the heart drop and he or she undergoes physical death and when he or she subsequently re-arises it is in a deity's body. Hence the term: "illusory body".
I've also read that a Karma Mudra is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
Except maybe in Kalachakra.
What's your opinion on that?"

Good friends,

This will by my last message for an extended time.
Amongst the millions of Buddhists, the term illusory body has had orders of use. Concerning the meta-path that I have partially pointed to, the six dharmas of Naropa (several variations) bring together completion practices from various tantras.
In so far as the general terminology used among such, as with 'bardo yoga', 'dream yoga', & 'clear light yoga', 'illusory body yoga' applies to the practices contributing, relating, and leading up to the state or attainment (such as specifically taking all phenomena as illusion, including the projection and perception of body; the illusory body can be equated with the 'mind-made body', where one 'creates a body of mind, then uses that mental body to produce a element body, and then one is to draw the element body out of the mental body like a sword in sheath') as well as the state or attainment itself and further the post-initial-goals, wisdom goals related to maximizing the functioning and use of said states or attainments.

This of course leads to convergence which is why it was mentioned prior how dream yoga and illusory body yoga etc are considered intertwined because both share practices that are closely associated.
The tantric texts are moderately salted with pith-instructions (further sometimes- one translation will word and be able to reflect subtler orders of encoded context that other translations cannot or cannot as well) however, the texts themselves are considered the exoteric component to the esoteric pith-instruction component, wisdom/knowledge component, and the direct-transmission component.
If the student is pursuing personal-liberation-only then this point is basically moot, though if attempting to quantify and actualize the wisdom of the buddha-matrix then this point is worth understanding.

Concerning the 'illusory body' term, the subtle vital energies, and discovering lethality,
Like when falling asleep, the subtle energy retracts into the heart-area, 'illusory body' can apply and refer to the waking integrated attainment of said vital energy composition and associated experiential/perceptual changes (another typical application of the term is the composition where the retracted vital energy naturally abides and dissolves in the throat-area etc).
In these cases, when the body is referred to as dead, it pertains to the attainment of significant experience malleability & significant lack of bodily resistance (such as during the hibernation-like samadhis when the breath ends etc) .

Though discovering another order of lethality (such as related to the circulatory system etc) and the associated use of the 'illusory body' term has been specifically expelled from the normative margin of potential application of the partially divulged practices that are discussed on this page.
However, this expulsion slowly recedes as one treads beyond the normative range of practice-tendencies expressed by this forum & associated and similar websites. If retreating for hundreds of hours with a good portion of the time spent even doing the most basic tummo, then this expulsion partially recedes. Further, if the basic retreat even comes close to an eighth of the time Dharma Sangha spent in abiding retreat (over 45,000 hours of abiding practice, a good portion of it being tummo/tummo-based), then this expulsion recedes further.

Beyond & briefly concerning karma & etc-mudras, karmamudras are rather complex events that generally share common traits such as subtle or very subtle visual/perceptual restructuring; drawing in the vital energy into the central channel, maintained retention of central channel vital energies, eventual dissolving of vital energies; charging and reversing the cerobrospinal system flow; dislodging and clearing the channels of vital energy mal-patterns; oceanic boundlessness etc.

Some karmamudras of Kalachakra would be specialized anger, aggression, forceful compassion, the suchness of the generality of phenomena, etc. Further the standard transformations of the 4 categories of mind states (dreaming, deep sleep, waking, & the unique fourth states emerging with the energies of sexual orgasm). Thus of course utilizing the six yogas completion practices.
A karmamudra necessitated by the bardo vision states, while still bound by delineation, would be contemplating the extensive and positive 'game' playing all leading up to that moment (good karma, much is needed for the process to function as a karmamudra; for example, tonglen, devotional, and merit-offering rituals & practices plant psychological seeds that provide karmamudra functioning at certain thresholds etc).

Beyond & to a different order, as generally warned concerning the profundity of innermost secret aspects of the vajrayana & dzogchen, Vajrayogini & Vajradhara and direct seeing/transmission, -if one is merely practicing and utilizing the advanced practices out of curiosity, personal liberation, or self-gratification, then the integrity of the highest orders great natural perfection will be lost on one. Though each individual actually possess a dormant buddha-matrix, wisdom operates and allows functional possession and so wisdom is considered the very matrix itself.

In the main text, a significant way to protect from outward emissions during the extremes of the {16 types} of bliss is to partake in tonglen, emanate bodhicitta, compassion, loving-kindness, & sympathetic-joy. Observing the rlung system makes this clear as to why, for each reverses the cerebrospinal flow upwards and the prana will draw into vicinity of the torso chakras, primarily the central channel of the heart chakra; however a novice usually draws upwards into the outer channels. For mere personal-liberation however, emanating a divine blissful sensual intimacy with phenomena will stimulate the heart chakra to a lesser degree.

Further, there is a rather significant visionary component associated with bodhicitta; from subtle knowledges, sutra samadhis, to the various orders of direct transmission & direct seeing.
The earliest direct seeing & direct transmission visions generally can be glimpsed while working on the great blisses, constantly dedicating the bliss, merit etc in exchange for the unpleasantness and bad merit of others; invoking the bodhicitta of buddha intent & the bodhicitta of natural liberation, transforming phenomena into dakini. With the bottom portion of the central channel opened and the torso chakras charged and flowing upwards, accelerated jolts can partially potentiate themselves to the crown chakra simultaneously with subtle visual delineation, glimpsing yogis, deities, etc.
The visions in proper should be crisp and possessed with high clarity, there will be rather bright and generally sharp coloring, radiant and light-like. The yogis usually appear with associated patterns that are symmetrical, highly ordered and with much less flux than many emerging patterns found in other classes of vision states. In this class of visions, the yogis and their patterns of light will not so much emerge like many other visions where the visual-consciousness is churned into patterns and those patterns successively lead to fully-constructed visions, rather, these highly energetic visions bolt like lighting and burst into the experience, fully apparent, crisp, and brightly colored by the end of the very quick bolt. This is the beginning in terms of the direct seeing & direct transmission visionary component.



Also, in prior sub-texts [on this thread] it has been mentioned that during one of the practice routines having had direct knowledge in, remaining perfectly still is viable (similar to the breathless jhana technique mentioned in the main text). In the corresponding tantra to the above linked-text, the 'vajra heart tantra', remaining perfectly still is mentioned has being a superb method for drawing the vital energies into the central channel (movement of body & mind save the movement of the vital energies and karmamudras etc; and of breath, first a 'still repetition' of breath and then extending the stillness of the breathless).

As an aside, Indian yogis use hashish, as at certain thresholds the visceral map perturbation allows ease in experientially discerning rlung flow. Further, cortisol is released when there is even subtle identity clinging and the perception of social judgement or the potential thereof; cortisol with hashish leads to additional level of noticeable intoxication, thus this is used as a measure to clarify where one stands in relation to reaching non-game behavior & mind.
Tommy M, modified 10 Years ago at 4/13/13 5:12 PM
Created 10 Years ago at 4/13/13 5:12 PM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 1199 Join Date: 11/12/10 Recent Posts
Another treasure trove of a post.

Further, cortisol is released when there is even subtle identity clinging and the perception of social judgement or the potential thereof; cortisol with hashish leads to additional level of noticeable intoxication, thus this is used as a measure to clarify where one stands in relation to reaching non-game behavior & mind.

This is really interesting as my experience of smoking and/or eating large quantities of hashish, as well as with cannabis sativa and indica, no longer leads to any noticeable intoxication since that first permanent perceptual shift (which I'll loosely call "Path"). Since then, and especially in the last 6-8 months, there's very, very little in the way of mental distortion whenever I smoke or eat hashish but it does seem to open up a more subtle, non-conceptual field of sensation; something I can only try to describe as being like perceptionless experience, but those words together make no sense.

By the way, the phrase "non-game behavior & mind" is an excellent, model-agnostic way to describe this thing. Ha!

Shamadhi Sam, modified 7 Years ago at 1/20/16 2:14 AM
Created 7 Years ago at 1/20/16 2:14 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 79 Join Date: 12/27/15 Recent Posts
Omega_Point, what would have been required for LocoAustriaco not to have lost momentum? Put another way, where precisely did he go wrong? Thanks.
Stuie Law, modified 7 Years ago at 1/20/16 3:28 AM
Created 7 Years ago at 1/20/16 3:28 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 30 Join Date: 1/15/16 Recent Posts
Shamadhi Sam....well done that man!  Many thanks.
Shamadhi Sam, modified 7 Years ago at 1/21/16 11:24 PM
Created 7 Years ago at 1/20/16 9:55 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 79 Join Date: 12/27/15 Recent Posts
Stuie, no problem! The six yogas are considered part of the traditional preparation for Tummo, which I am interested in.

My bad, turns out Tummo is one of the six yogas. Live and learn!
Jinxed P, modified 7 Years ago at 7/31/16 9:59 AM
Created 7 Years ago at 7/31/16 9:59 AM

RE: A dissection of the early stages in advanced posturing

Posts: 347 Join Date: 8/29/11 Recent Posts
Someone really needs to do a podcast with Omega Point. Most interesting poster we have ever had here, and comes from a totally different perspective few of us are familiar with.