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a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... P K 3/8/18 1:14 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Nikolai . 12/18/13 5:41 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/18/13 6:15 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Nikolai . 12/18/13 6:19 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/18/13 6:59 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Richard Zen 12/18/13 8:24 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Chuck Kasmire 12/20/13 12:08 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Bagpuss The Gnome 12/18/13 10:16 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Chris G 12/18/13 10:39 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... PP 12/18/13 11:24 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem 12/18/13 10:55 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Felipe C. 12/18/13 11:50 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/18/13 12:55 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Nikolai . 12/18/13 1:29 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem 12/18/13 2:59 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Brian Eleven 12/18/13 2:05 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Bagpuss The Gnome 12/18/13 2:38 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem 12/18/13 2:51 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Bagpuss The Gnome 12/18/13 2:57 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... B B 12/18/13 3:50 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Sadalsuud Beta Aquarii 12/18/13 5:20 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/19/13 5:32 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/19/13 4:52 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... B B 12/20/13 4:00 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/20/13 4:57 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem 12/20/13 10:31 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/20/13 12:19 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem 12/20/13 2:03 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/21/13 3:21 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/21/13 3:26 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Daniel M. Ingram 12/21/13 11:45 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/21/13 1:41 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Nikolai . 12/21/13 2:00 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/21/13 4:41 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Adam . . 12/20/13 3:09 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/20/13 5:10 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/18/13 5:52 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Adam . . 12/18/13 9:53 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Bruno Loff 12/18/13 7:02 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/18/13 7:59 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Richard Zen 12/18/13 9:08 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/18/13 11:47 PM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/19/13 3:02 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... sawfoot _ 12/19/13 12:19 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/19/13 1:56 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Bruno Loff 12/19/13 5:55 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... triple think 12/19/13 8:18 AM
RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO... Brian Eleven 12/19/13 3:42 PM

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12/18/13 5:41 AM as a reply to P K.
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why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


If you can navigate your own frustration with triplethink's way of communicating you may see that his threads are about some useful things concerning practice. People who dont post useful stuff are the one's who generally are spamming.

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12/18/13 6:15 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

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17.12.13 17:19

The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

VOID & VACUUM
18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


If you can navigate your own frustration with triplethink's way of communicating you may see that his threads are about some useful things concerning practice. People who dont post useful stuff are the one's who generally are spamming.


Nikolai, do you think a post with some links to wikipedia pages with the word "earth" in them is a useful thing concerning practice? I know he once sent you a useful email in the past, but, still...

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5054370

As I said on one of those threads:

"I see that we do have mods active on this forum, as a recent post by James Yen got deleted.

Are the mods going to do anything about posts like these? At what point do you think "enough is enough"? Maybe a quiet word in a ear? A friendly warning?

Perhaps you could suggest he set up his own website, rather than taking over the DhO as his own personal wiki? "

My opinion is that in terms of net benefit vs. net harm, overall this posting strategy and style of communication is doing a net harm to the DhO, that the DhO is considerably diminished when it becomes the playground for one poster. Obviously, some people, like Pawel here, would agree. Others might think the DhO is a better place for it.

Perhaps we should have a poll?

Or should all those that lack sufficient skill in navigating their frustration just go and join awake network, where this kind of posting behaviour in no way would be tolerated?

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12/18/13 6:19 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
I currently dont see a problem and have found reading his posts do trigger investigation where there previously was none. James was ok to keep posting until he returned to his old way of posting and the mods and overlord had previously decided he was to be banned for such posts. And he has been banned a lot in the past. Triplethink's posts are still practice related. There has been no discussion about nathan's posts between the mods and daniel. Maybe do your poll and send daniel a message. But seriously, i see value in nathan's posts. Yeh, awakenetwork has less tolerance for such things. Not many people have ever been banned or told to move on as the dho is like so, always has been.

Nick

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12/18/13 6:59 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nicolai, I am not disputing that value may be found in some posts, and some might trigger investigation, though I think you would be hard pressed to make that argument for a lot of them. The point is really about whether a community forum like the DhO is the suitable host for a personal "project".

That said, I am little concerned about upsetting the guy:

"I can offer you a sense of what does produce passion in me still, a passion against which I must firmly set my every resolve each and every day. This passion arises in the face of demonstrations of gross ignorance and delusion when the hopeless valuation of the 'material' over and against the 'living' and the great tyrannies and injustices which this satanic ideology imposes upon those who are righteous and those who are innocent produces great and needless suffering. A great sense of wrath arises then within my being and I must restrain myself from becoming a sword of truth brought down upon the heads of such as those who press forward with great energy and furious destruction in all such causes.

Fortunately, I have had much practice contemplating many such phenomena of all sorts and I have thus far proven able to restrain these raging tempests within the void.

No promises looking ahead into what yet may come upon us all."

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5043340

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12/18/13 8:24 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
LOL! I thought it was supposed to be 0 inflows and 0 outflows like anorexia. Good point!

Oh well, just ignore the threads you don't like (especially since the mod likes them) and keep posting in the ones you like by clicking page 2 on the recent posts. If no one is interested they clear off page 1 pretty quickly.

That quote you made though was probably more lucid than most of his posts. I wouldn't mind if he continued in that lucid direction to explain himself more.

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12/18/13 10:16 AM as a reply to P K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

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17.12.13 17:19

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17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

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18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


I wholeheartedly agree. It's very tiresome to have to wade through so much drivel.

On the whole I like the hands off approach regarding moderation here. It wouldn't work in most other places. Occasionally though it really wouldn't hurt to "have a word" for the good of the majority.

"Boo to a goose" anyone?

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12/18/13 10:39 AM as a reply to P K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads
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why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


I mostly agree. At least categorize them in some out-of-the-way place. The DhO serves as a kind of database of useful practice advice, tips, and discussion. The more noise that gets mixed in, the less useful it becomes to people who are new to the DhO, as it will take more and more time for people to wade through and find something useful for them. I'd rather not have all the good old material get drowned out by noise.

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12/18/13 10:55 AM as a reply to P K.
TBH it seems like a bit much to me, too. His posts (and the DhO, since there are so many of them) are starting to resemble the time cube. And I also had the thought of just making a "triplethink" category since he is posting so much.

I would ask triplethink to restrain himself to his more cohesive posts, as I find little value in the rambling ones, but that would be a personal appeal, not an appeal as a moderator.

As a moderator, it seems a lot of other people have the same concern - at least 5 just in this very thread - so I would politely ask the same as a moderator appeal also, with no warning or threats implicit in that request.

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12/18/13 11:24 AM as a reply to Chris G.
Chris G:
The DhO serves as a kind of database of useful practice advice, tips, and discussion. The more noise that gets mixed in, the less useful it becomes to people who are new to the DhO, as it will take more and more time for people to wade through and find something useful for them. I'd rather not have all the good old material get drowned out by noise.


+1

No need to divide the community with a poll, perhaps the mods could set a simple posting rule? ---> A user can only start one thread per day.

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12/18/13 11:50 AM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Ditto

Recently, it just doesn't feel comfortable as before when I come to the DhO. Usability should be considered here just as with any website, mainly when one comes to the front page (in this case, factically: Discussion / Recent posts). And when I come to the front page lately, I find myself lost, confused and repelled by a lot of posts and unclear content.

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12/18/13 12:55 PM as a reply to Felipe C..
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion

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12/18/13 1:29 PM as a reply to sawfoot _.
sawfoot _:
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion


Just curious about your own practice sawfoot. Do you have a practice journal kept somewhere?

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12/18/13 2:05 PM as a reply to P K.
My personal response to the mountian on silliness coming out of The 3 sTooges is to not read any thread he has started or commented on. Which means I basically avoid the site completely. Fine with me, I doubt that I'm the only one being driven off the site because it has become a steaming pile of nonsense.
I really do just look at it in the same way I would a child jumping up and down to get attention. I don't care where the clown practices his typing(I can't imagine much more thought involved in a lot of his posts) but perhaps a warning should be posted for newcomers. I can't imagine someone coming here for the first time seeing the thread in which each letter of the alphabet required a new post. Why would anyone come back a second time?
Apparently keeping him happy is more important then providing a place for newcomers to have somewhere to learn and share.
This surprises me a lot about the DhO, maybe it really isn't such a loss for me if I don't visit anymore.

Metta,

Brian.

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12/18/13 2:38 PM as a reply to Brian Eleven.
I really appreciate your point here Brian. It does seem that the mods are so busy falling over themselves to accommodate the James Yen's that they entirely miss the opportunity to keep this place legible.

Nikolai, Beoman, what is it that you actually do?

Where is Daniel?

For gods sake grow a set and take some action.

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12/18/13 2:51 PM as a reply to Bagpuss The Gnome.
Bagpuss The Gnome:
I really appreciate your point here Brian. It does seem that the mods are so busy falling over themselves to accommodate the James Yen's that they entirely miss the opportunity to keep this place legible.

Nikolai, Beoman, what is it that you actually do?

Where is Daniel?

For gods sake grow a set and take some action.

I don't really do anything if I can help it. But I'll send him a message.

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12/18/13 2:57 PM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Hah! Oh well...

I just came back to edit my post to be a bit less rude. Sorry guys. I came out of my evening meditation in the middle of the DN and am feeling a bit grumpy!

I stand by the sentiment, but the wording could have been a bit less shite.

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12/18/13 2:59 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
sawfoot _:
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion


Just curious about your own practice sawfoot. Do you have a practice journal kept somewhere?

Nikolai, what does that have to do with this thread and the concerns sawfoot raised?

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12/18/13 3:50 PM as a reply to P K.
Should be studying at the moment, but this thread has aroused relatively strong feelings in me - of astonishment that people could be reacting so strongly. I mean realistically, how big a disruption is he? For those not interested and put off by his posts, seeing many of his threads in Recent Posts is just making it slightly more likely that they will be forced to click on to page 2 - so like a 2-3 second inconvenience. And for those new to the site looking for useful information, if they find his threads unhelpful, they can very easily avoid clicking into them in future.

I hate to see someone who stands out in a slightly uncomfortable way for some people get this kind of treatment anywhere as it strikes close to home with me. But on an already peripheral forum like this, and for a person who is nothing if not genuine, and thus likely telling the truth about their extensive experience in meditation, and thus a highly valuable source of advice for participants, it's especially hard to bear. Why not, you know, examine the basis for these aversive reactions instead of whining?

I also don't agree that any of his posts are useless. For example, in one recently that was later edited, he had a link to an interactive view of the scale of the universe from the hypothetical level of strings to the size of the observable universe and beyond. This inspired me to try asserting a perspective of smallness and insignificance during meditation -- seeing the 5 aggregates as if on the tip of a hair or as blocked arteries on a much larger stellar/galactic body -- that I found very powerful. So before you seek to stamp down on errant behaviour, maybe you could try shifting perspective on the situation to see if a more useful one can be found.

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12/18/13 5:20 PM as a reply to B B.
I'm with you B B,

I don't really like his style of writing but you can easily see what threads are started by him and avoid them if you like.

I have no assumptions about his intentions, sanity, level of realization or anything. I tried reading some of his stuff and it was too cryptic for me, so I just skip it now. But I don't mind the fact that it's there.

I am also quite surprised people are cross.

If he was hijacking threads that would be different, I would deffo find that annoying I think.

But really how devalued is the forum being by one poster posting "odd" threads?

I like Beoman's approach of just sending him a message if people really feel cross.

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12/18/13 5:52 PM as a reply to P K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

+ INFINITE SPACE +0+ INFINITE TIME +
17.12.13 17:19

The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

VOID & VACUUM
18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?
Hi Pawel,

It does have a particular structure and order to it, like the bones of a skeletal frame, and it is possible to move from one thread to another in a logical way. It was what I could do in a day, no more no less. Admittedly a long day of about 24 hours, not atypical for me but I have difficulty sleeping at all most days.

I'm a bit surprised to think that my efforts here somehow rob you or anyone else of either the necessary virtual space to do something else or the capability to simply block my posts entirely from your view. That block user function appears to work on my end, although I don't employ that function and I am interested to read whatever anyone has to share.

Anyways, I don't see my time here as continuing forever, odd as this may seem to you, I may well find any number of far better things to do with my time. For now, I am offering up what I can based on this, my own history of path work, over this one lifetime, as is, as done so far.

It is far from an absolutely finished and completed path work and unfortunately I am compelled to accept this, as is. I, for one, am doing my best to lay it out, as is, honestly, for what it is and for what it has been so far. Sorry if that pisses you off. It seems like fair warning from my pov.

As it stands I am quite hostile and heated in the face of the entire idea of 'materialism' in any sense. I have a deep respect for living things. I see all living and animate beings as no less divine in their being than any other regardless of their forms. I see all life as sharing in the same source of percipient nature even though their sensate natures may vary considerably.

However, matter and the material, in my view, is simply matter; and virtual material is nothing but an empty representation or image of that which is already without life, soul, spirit, mind, heart or any of that which I feel naturally does deserve my complete and unreserved honor and respect. So when it comes to material, to robot creatures, to heartless mindless systems and machinery I feel an intense compulsion to bring the hammer down if it treads on the living and gives gross offense to my sensibilities.

If the 'so called beings' of this world should come to see themselves merely as souless, spiritless, heartless 'things', things with no regard for natural life of for anything but 'self' interests, then I have no reservations about blasting the entire planet into dust and letting that dust fall back into the sun that spit it out.

I feel like doing it now, I feel like releasing the cannons and cooking this mess of horrors into a liquid fire. That is how I 'feel', as a living breathing animal with a conscience and the eye of God Almighty glowing in my head, revealing the depth of my sins and my coming doom and damnation. Fortunately, I do not see this as a 'self' but merely as the 'natural' response to 'such' 'unnatural' conditions.

Then too I never did feel well after a chemically induced period of unconsciousness. Perhaps I will feel better after another five or ten cigarettes and more coffee. Wish I had a big fat joint and could just chill out with some smooth jazz.

"Fuck the robots laying waste to this garden sphere! Blast 'em all to hell! I sez. Halleluja, and pass the ammunition. Shrapnel from here to hallaluja, leave nothing standing..."

Still, as it stands, for right now, nothing to do but smoke, spit and wait on Jesus ( apparently he is going to 'handle it' ), and the bloody end; that's all to report for the moment, brother dingbats.

Hey, why don't you come over here and do your pathetic whining right in my face asshole?

have a nice day
- triplethink / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty

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12/18/13 7:02 PM as a reply to P K.
Please don't complain to a higher authority before trying to deal with someone face-to-face... This is the DhO, not fuckin' catholic-school. Punk-anarcho-dhamma, we don't need no thought control, yeah! emoticon emoticon

Seriously though, if you find someone's posts to be annoying to the point of being disruptive to you, just send him or her a personal message, either privately or publicly, whichever way you think will be the most effective... Please don't complain to the boss, don't you just hate it when people do that to you?


In any case, the fact is that if no-one replies, the thread eventually disappears from the top of the queue... so if a thread remains at the top for long, then at least someone is interested in it. That seems like a fair mode of arbitration.

There is the risk, of course, that someone just replies to himself thus artificially bumping his own thread, or that someone posts new threads over and over again, thus filling all the slots. Perhaps we should change the ordering slightly so that the thread is only "bumped" to the top when the "last editor" of the thread changes. So that if poster X edits the thread repeatedly, it will be put in the top the first time, but not the subsequent times. However, that might sabotage practice journals, which often don't get a reply to every single post, but should be put in the top whenever the original poster makes a new report... so maybe the way it currently works is already as good as it gets.

Brian Eleven:

Apparently keeping him happy is more important then providing a place for newcomers to have somewhere to learn and share.


The DhO should not have take upon itself to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate for newcomers. The DhO is not your babysitter. If you want someone else to filter out the bullshit for you, so you can save all that energy which is usually spent thinking critically, then it may be safer to go somewhere else... then again, if you want that, then maybe nowhere is safe.

Have you maybe considered that the newcomers themselves are the only proper authority that should decide what is and isn't appropriate for them to learn and share? If not them, then who? You? Daniel? The fuckin' dalai-lama? emoticon




All of that said, I don't understand most of what Nathan writes --- in fact, often not even what he is writing about... Nathan, I think you should really make an effort at being more clear... you have asked of others to explain things to you as if you were really thick, it would stand to reason that you would do us the same courtesy, but most of your posts are cryptic... some even seem to me like you are doing a private joke to yourself... what's the point of doing that on this medium?

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12/18/13 7:59 PM as a reply to Bruno Loff.
Bruno Loff:
Please don't complain to a higher authority before trying to deal with someone face-to-face... This is the DhO, not fuckin' catholic-school. Punk-anarcho-dhamma, we don't need no thought control, yeah! emoticon emoticon

Seriously though, if you find someone's posts to be annoying to the point of being disruptive to you, just send him or her a personal message, either privately or publicly, whichever way you think will be the most effective... Please don't complain to the boss, don't you just hate it when people do that to you?


In any case, the fact is that if no-one replies, the thread eventually disappears from the top of the queue... so if a thread remains at the top for long, then at least someone is interested in it. That seems like a fair mode of arbitration.

There is the risk, of course, that someone just replies to himself thus artificially bumping his own thread, or that someone posts new threads over and over again, thus filling all the slots. Perhaps we should change the ordering slightly so that the thread is only "bumped" to the top when the "last editor" of the thread changes. So that if poster X edits the thread repeatedly, it will be put in the top the first time, but not the subsequent times. However, that might sabotage practice journals, which often don't get a reply to every single post, but should be put in the top whenever the original poster makes a new report... so maybe the way it currently works is already as good as it gets.

Brian Eleven:

Apparently keeping him happy is more important then providing a place for newcomers to have somewhere to learn and share.


The DhO should not have take upon itself to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate for newcomers. The DhO is not your babysitter. If you want someone else to filter out the bullshit for you, so you can save all that energy which is usually spent thinking critically, then it may be safer to go somewhere else... then again, if you want that, then maybe nowhere is safe.

Have you maybe considered that the newcomers themselves are the only proper authority that should decide what is and isn't appropriate for them to learn and share? If not them, then who? You? Daniel? The fuckin' dalai-lama? emoticon




All of that said, I don't understand most of what Nathan writes --- in fact, often not even what he is writing about... Nathan, I think you should really make an effort at being more clear... you have asked of others to explain things to you as if you were really thick, it would stand to reason that you would do us the same courtesy, but most of your posts are cryptic... some even seem to me like you are doing a private joke to yourself... what's the point of doing that on this medium?

Well, hell yes Bruno!

What on earth makes people think I even want to be "happy", happy about just what exactly? Why should I give a shit about that? Stupid fucking motherfuckers.

I am simply put, merely this one solitary and particular BAD ROBOT, the only distinction being that, I can see this machine for what it is.

So then, just what the fuck do you want from me people? Want me to sing you your favorite lullabies while you drift off into an even deeper sleep?

Well, I'm not your mommie ok? Shit, you don't even consider our common earthly Mother to be worthy of your considerations; the way you carve her up into strips of raw and disposable meat.

Well then, you fucking pussies, come over here and do your worst!

When you are finished with your pathetic minsitrations and I am still standing here, blankly staring all along as your futile fist falls glance off of my indomitable chin, then you had best be on your way before Jesus bids me un-holster my pistols and gives me the nod.

This is the only place I know where I can give it to you straight, without the rosy window panes and the metaphysical varnish.
This world is a bloody battlefield, ruled by violence and ill will, greedy, despicable and ugly. I get up every day and eat a shit sandwich of fresh news from the front lines. You prefer your happy hazy thoughts of Shangril-la do you? Well dream on then motherfuckers!

I tried to make up some home pages and present some more ordered thought that way. That didn't work and does not function. I tried a few ways of putting my poop progressively into some kind of a well ordered group. All I hear back is whining and curses.

Well, fuck it then.

There is now a thread that links into the triplethink stuff and the like. If no one cares to attend to amending anything to any of it anywhere then it can happily sink like a stone to the bottom of the stream.

Triplethink Transporter Deck

I'm not the right person to be mollycoddling Iddhi-0ts.
I'm here to offer the straight up goods to the sincere and those who have the will to practice well.
The antagonistic will simply get what's naturally coming to them.
I'm doing them a favor by progressively becoming ever more of a bastard about dealing with it, I should just let their chips fall where they will and heartlessly watch on, doing my level best to not so much as smile.

I have one foot on one boat and one foot on another.
You try to balance your thoughts like this on a stormy sea!
Shit, I just want to get off of both boats and head for the far shore with my best breast stroke.
Leviathan don't give a fuck about the fish.

You don't have to fuck with me at all, as I said in my fourth or fifth post since returning.
Anyone would be better served to go and fuck themselves instead.

If you choose to fuck with me anyways, well then, you have been thoroughly and adequately warned.

Shit, any thug in any schoolyard, tending the family business, would feel no hesitation about telling you the same thing. "Yeah, these guns are loaded. What, are you stupid?"

"All along the Watch, Dhamma Canons are fully loaded, ready and standing by, awaiting orders Sir." ( Salute. )

- T3 / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty

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12/18/13 9:08 PM as a reply to triple think.
triple think:
Well, hell yes Bruno!

What on earth makes people think I even want to be "happy", happy about just what exactly? Why should I give a shit about that? Stupid fucking motherfuckers.


Then you don't have much to teach people about metta and mindfulness then do you?

triple think:
So then, just what the fuck do you want from me people? Want me to sing you your favorite lullabies while you drift off into an even deeper sleep?


How about lucidly talking about Dharma practice and respecting people's intelligence?

triple think:
Well, I'm not your mommie ok? Shit, you don't even consider our common earthly Mother to be worthy of your considerations; the way you carve her up into strips of raw and disposable meat.


What are you talking about? Vegetarianism? Capitalism? Environmentalism? Materialism?

triple think:
Well then, you fucking pussies, come over here and do your worst!


How is this different from trolls in any other forum? You're lucky you're on this forum with very nice mods who know you. Most forums would ban you without even thinking.

triple think:
When you are finished with your pathetic minsitrations and I am still standing here, blankly staring all along as your futile fist falls glance off of my indomitable chin, then you had best be on your way before Jesus bids me un-holster my pistols and gives me the nod.


You insult the intelligence of the people of this forum. We aren't as stupid as you make us out to be.

triple think:
This is the only place I know where I can give it to you straight, without the rosy window panes and the metaphysical varnish.
This world is a bloody battlefield, ruled by violence and ill will, greedy, despicable and ugly. I get up every day and eat a shit sandwich of fresh news from the front lines. You prefer your happy hazy thoughts of Shangril-la do you? Well dream on then motherfuckers!


This sounds ambitious but I've yet to see anything of profundity you are promising. Just turning on the news or reading a newspaper pretty much does that to people, and if anything people are desensitized and jaded and hardly in a Shangri-la.

triple think:
I tried to make up some home pages and present some more ordered thought that way. That didn't work and does not function. I tried a few ways of putting my poop progressively into some kind of a well ordered group. All I hear back is whining and curses.
Well, fuck it then.


All you have to do is try to make posts on your phenomenological experience in relation to meditation. Do this (much like Daniel or Nick does) and there would be no problem and lots positive interaction which I'm more interested in.

Why don't you start a blog like Nick or AEN has?

The Hamilton Project

Awakening to reality

Can you actually make a contribution of value? Whatever help you gave Nick must have been more lucid than what you are doing now.

triple think:
There is now a thread that links into the triplethink stuff and the like. If no one cares to attend to amending anything to any of it anywhere then it can happily sink like a stone to the bottom of the stream.

Triplethink Transporter Deck


How about one practice thread for your on-going meditation practice with as precise as possible language to your experience. That would be refreshing. If you want to talk about the consequences of greed, hate and delusion then please do so with less metaphor. Talk about anything just do so with a point and without pretentious cryptic stuff that looks like posturing.

triple think:
I'm not the right person to be mollycoddling Iddhi-0ts.
I'm here to offer the straight up goods to the sincere and those who have the will to practice well.


Where? If you did it's because you turned off so many people with useless threads they don't want to dig further.

Secondly we are not idiots.

triple think:
I have one foot on one boat and one foot on another.
You try to balance your thoughts like this on a stormy sea!
Shit, I just want to get off of both boats and head for the far shore with my best breast stroke.
Leviathan don't give a fuck about the fish.

You don't have to fuck with me at all, as I said in my fourth or fifth post since returning.
Anyone would be better served to go and fuck themselves instead.


Right now nobody is arguing with you on that.

triple think:
If you choose to fuck with me anyways, well then, you have been thoroughly and adequately warned.

Shit, any thug in any schoolyard, tending the family business, would feel no hesitation about telling you the same thing. "Yeah, these guns are loaded. What, are you stupid?"

"All along the Watch, Dhamma Canons are fully loaded, ready and standing by, awaiting orders Sir." ( Salute. )

- T3 / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty


What?

You've been told over and over again that it's your nonsensical posts that are the problem. If you are capable of reading so many Western Philosophy books then you are capable of posting half-decent sentences to explain your practice. If you did that it would have avoided this problem (skillful-means?) and there would be a lot of positive reactions.

Seriously. If you started right now and post about your dharma practice in plain english that is easy to understand all of this would turn around to the positive. Just go to the threads you already started and post explanations for all the metaphors and then continue on with normal prose.

Is this something you will do?

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12/18/13 9:53 PM as a reply to triple think.
I feel like doing it now, I feel like releasing the cannons and cooking this mess of horrors into a liquid fire. That is how I 'feel', as a living breathing animal with a conscience and the eye of God Almighty glowing in my head, revealing the depth of my sins and my coming doom and damnation. Fortunately, I do not see this as a 'self' but merely as the 'natural' response to 'such' 'unnatural' conditions.

Then too I never did feel well after a chemically induced period of unconsciousness. Perhaps I will feel better after another five or ten cigarettes and more coffee. Wish I had a big fat joint and could just chill out with some smooth jazz.


I am here with you 3-slice. I am trying to understand. Even if you are a troll you still have something to say. So what's up? I get frustrated reading you sometimes, but only because I have not listened to my inner troll enough, and he still feels like he is in conflict with me. When people read you their conflict with their own inner troll is stimulated and so they want to get rid of it/you. I just am not sure what this inner/outer troll wants. I think he is upset about the way I sacrifice my integrity for some pragmatic purpose, the way I try to get ahead of myself. He just sees clever disingenuousness. The content of his complaint seems irrelevant, but it is caused by absence of integrity.

I can feel that, and what it seems to call for me to do is rest and reflect.

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12/18/13 11:47 PM as a reply to Richard Zen.
All in all it's all the same, but call me if there's any change...



...it makes a spam of some, a flak for others...

T3 / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty

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12/19/13 12:19 AM as a reply to Richard Zen.
Wow, it feels like we are having a town hall meeting.

I am glad a few people joined to give an opposing point of view.

Bruno, it seems like a reasonable strategy to address the person directly, but in my general dealings with this person in direct communication I have just been met with hostility or incomprehensibility.

The problem is that we have 2 nathans. First there is the angry megalomaniacal but lucid one. My perception is that when he realised that he was upsetting people (in the "ask triplethink" thread) he swiitched to the harmless but incomprensible one. On this thread he has reverted back to the old persona. I honestly don't know which one I prefer.

Nikolai.

I do keep a log but I am working with a teacher so I share it with them.

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12/19/13 1:56 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
sawfoot _:
Wow, it feels like we are having a town hall meeting.
I am glad a few people joined to give an opposing point of view.
I have yet to observe an opposing point of view presented on your part. I can present the gamut, you are for all intents and purposes illiterate.
Bruno, it seems like a reasonable strategy to address the person directly, but in my general dealings with this person in direct communication I have just been met with hostility or incomprehensibility.
Oh great, another psychiatrist with a certificate he bought on the internet.
The problem is that we have 2 nathans.
23 nathans would not begin to cover it. Once again, you betray your depth.

First there is the angry megalomaniacal but lucid one.
If you are hearing the distant roaring perhaps it's time to begin to consider what the teeth might actually look like face to face.
My perception is that when he realised that he was upsetting people (in the "ask triplethink" thread) he swiitched to the harmless but incomprensible one.
Yawn. Nyah, wuzzup doc?
On this thread he has reverted back to the old persona. I honestly don't know which one I prefer.
All the rest is invisible in your 2 dimensions. Silly fish.

Nikolai.

I do keep a log but I am working with a teacher so I share it with them.

T3 / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty

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12/19/13 3:02 AM as a reply to triple think.

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12/19/13 5:32 AM as a reply to Sadalsuud Beta Aquarii.
The problem isn't just incomprehensible posts.

Sadalsuud Beta Aquarii:

I am also quite surprised people are cross.

If he was hijacking threads that would be different, I would deffo find that annoying I think.

But really how devalued is the forum being by one poster posting "odd" threads?



Yes, it can be annoying when people hijack threads and go through posts line by line with the sole purpose of throwing cryptic and not-so-cryptic insults at the poster. Nathan, I would kindly appreciate you not doing that.

Mods/Daniel - do you think the implicit threats that he would physically attack me if he met me in person are acceptable posting behaviour and to be tolerated?

edit:

sorry for being a sanctimonius git, btw

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12/19/13 4:52 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
sawfoot _:
Sadalsuud Beta Aquarii:

I am also quite surprised people are cross.

If he was hijacking threads that would be different, I would deffo find that annoying I think.

But really how devalued is the forum being by one poster posting "odd" threads?



Yes, it can be annoying when people hijack threads and go through posts line by line with the sole purpose of throwing cryptic and not-so-cryptic insults at the poster. Nathan, I would kindly appreciate you not doing that.

Mods/Daniel - do you think the implicit threats that he would physically attack me if he met me in person are acceptable posting behaviour and to be tolerated?
Hey look, I didn't ram the stick up your butt, you are the only one in a position to pull it out.

T3 / Ativan 1mg / 3 REM / 4 eyes / WITless / nasty

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12/19/13 5:55 AM as a reply to triple think.
I might be misinterpreting what you are saying, but it would seem to me that you believe that clear, non-imagetic speech does not have the power which you are now hoping that occult-like, image-based speech does. As if you are trying to "bypass certain filters" by writing the way you do.

Let's put aside the matter that this is kind of arrogant on your part. Perhaps you indeed understand something really far out that is really hard to express, and we don't. Perhaps we are really misguided and need you to give it to us straight. Heck, perhaps you are fuckin' Jesus incarnate Himself. So sorry, great sir, if we are way out of our depth, and can't grasp your noble message... emoticon

Practically speaking, even if this metaphorical-imagetic-intuitive-animalistic-speech strategy is sound in certain conditions, with certain people --- people with whom you have built a relationship of trust, people for whom you have had the opportunity to point to and break down or at least soften the rigidity of their worldview, etc --- I don't think that this approach works in a public internet forum.

By the very nature of the medium, by the diversity of people accessing this place and reading this stuff, language should, in my opinion and as much as possible, be clear and consensual.

Maybe you find that boring?

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12/19/13 8:18 AM as a reply to Bruno Loff.
THE RONIN:

Bruno Loff:
I might be misinterpreting what you are saying, but it would seem to me that you believe that clear, non-imagetic speech does not have the power which you are now hoping that occult-like, image-based speech does. As if you are trying to "bypass certain filters" by writing the way you do.

Let's put aside the matter that this is kind of arrogant on your part. Perhaps you indeed understand something really far out that is really hard to express, and we don't. Perhaps we are really misguided and need you to give it to us straight. Heck, perhaps you are fuckin' Jesus incarnate Himself. So sorry, great sir, if we are way out of our depth, and can't grasp your noble message... emoticon

Practically speaking, even if this metaphorical-imagetic-intuitive-animalistic-speech strategy is sound in certain conditions, with certain people --- people with whom you have built a relationship of trust, people for whom you have had the opportunity to point to and break down or at least soften the rigidity of their worldview, etc --- I don't think that this approach works in a public internet forum.

By the very nature of the medium, by the diversity of people accessing this place and reading this stuff, language should, in my opinion and as much as possible, be clear and consensual.

Maybe you find that boring?

hi Bruno,

Fine, if no one in generation Proze can be so bold as to interact playfully online in an obscure forum or tolerate a statement with any poetic depth, then lets be entirely prosaic and mechanistic.

It all seems very classical to me, all just Major Motherfucking Dudes and never a Bitch in sight.

Do do do, dah dah dah. Excuse me while I feast on the mushrooms for a moment.


When I was last active here, DhO 1.0 - 2.0 was like "Fight Club" for the Dharma. It took a while to see it but I recognize now that it has become a Mausoleum for the mighty who fell.

Well I'm the outlaw who shot them down. Now you... are all the fools who worship at their graves.

One of those ghosts bid me return to assist him with the haunting while all of you continue your charnel ground practices. It so happens that I am so good at being a monster that people are shitting themselves left, right and center.

In truth, I am a happy monster. One who is simply laughing his ass off most of the time.

So then. What are the rules? Now. In this cemetary?

As I am merely a novice while all of you are so well advanced?

As you can see, I am only eight days your senior as a member of the DhO. If this was a classically connected Sangha I would be a novice only a few days old. You would now have almost five years in the robes, have long been fully steeped in the Doctrine and Discipline, well trained, well practiced and soon be entirely free to wander alone.

I have been wandering fifty years now in this flesh and only recently returned as a ghost to this small and vacant chapel on the edge of nowhere.

As I recollect, the DhO 1.0 was the anarchic wild west of Dharma, just as you say.

Secular, liberal, unmoderated, liberated in name if not in form.

Yes. It was a lively and entirely unterritorialized wilderness of free speech.

As laymen, keen to comprehend the Dharma/Dhamma most of us had studied or practiced quite a bit, to one extent or another and we were all keen to ask questions and discuss aspects of the N8FP that were taboo to even speak of in any Classically Connected sense.

Everyone was fucking free to fucking say what the fuck ever they fucking bloody well felt like saying. I can clearly remember directly calling Kenneth Folk a fucking moron for being so obviously a fucking moron in one of his own threads. I may be personally to thank for Kenneth Folk Dharma Inc. thanks to my efforts to keep the DhO as dogma free as it then claimed to be.

However now, as I could see it was already then, be this because of the inherent authority of Daniel's authoring a book, or because it is his website, or because Universal and Conforming Truth simply imposes it's nature on all things, or simply due to the conforming incredulity of human beings, the Dogmatic Nature of the DhO and it's conformity to the mushroom nature of the human social sphere was and is built right into it.

I am entirely beholding to the Classically Universal Conforming Truth. I entirely reverence the Doctrine of the Mean.

Dhamma is solid and consistent ALL WAYS because it plays just as well regardless of any and all conditions.

But I am particularly hostile to new dogma that does not Universally Conform to the Classically Universal Truth, from any quarter.

Even quantum physics, in whatever form(s) it takes or may yet take, conforms elegantly to the Classically Universal BuddhaDhamma or to the Doctrine of the Mean.

This thread and no less this forum is not a Dharma cut into stone.

This is the internet, where speech, if you will, or text, to be precise, immediately goes forth into oblivion.

Personally, if it is a statement any more colloquial than a recurrence of a Conformative Universal Truth, I don't see how it matters how anyone attempts to say anything.

nathan

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12/19/13 3:42 PM as a reply to triple think.
3 Times a lady:

Things change, including interweb forums, get over it. Do still like to tell your cats about how great high school football was??
Go relive your former glory somewhere else, or better yet a long walk off a short pier with rocks in your pockets.

If you are such a novice why don't just shut the fuck up and stop telling everyone how things are supposed to be. Instead of trying to change the entire site and everyone on it why don't you just FUCK OFF if you dislike it and everyone on it so much. Really, why do you think that you are so special, just because you've spent your life on the short bus??
Start your own site "Threads without a Topic" has a nice ring and fits your style.

Brian

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12/20/13 12:08 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Paweł K:
I currently do see a problem and have found reading his posts do trigger irritation where there previously was none

Paweł K:
Buddha and other masters use catchy phrases as "end of all suffering" or "seeing world as it really is" and other... nonsense every enlightened person still suffers both physical and mental pain. What is changed is reduction of few types of mental suffering types that come from clinging, aversion, ignorance, self referencing, denying own nature, etc. All that is very important but falls nowhere near 'end of all suffering' that enlightened people first claims when they feel good and later they invent bullsh*t like 'dependent origination' to justify their failure to end all suffering

How enlightening and non-irritating.

triple think:
I'm not the right person to be mollycoddling Iddhi-0ts.
I'm here to offer the straight up goods to the sincere and those who have the will to practice well.
The antagonistic will simply get what's naturally coming to them.

Looking back through Nathans recent posts - seems like that is exactly what he is doing - I'm enjoying it.

As you might recall, the opening statement on the home page reads
The Dharma Overground is a resource for the support of hardcore meditation practice.

What I find is that where anyone has an actual question related to that statement, he has given really good and helpful advice or a thoughtful opinion. Where he does otherwise - well look at what he is responding to. You give it - you get it. An Instant Karma moment.

Perhaps if a separate site was set-up for those who wish to make antagonistic/intellectual masturbation posts than that would clean things up a great deal. We could call it DharmaNeverGround perhaps.

DharmaNeverGround ...is the dwelling place of ... the Lost Boys and others...it is often used as a metaphor for... childishness ... and escapism.

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12/20/13 4:00 AM as a reply to B B.
Paweł K:
he also posted link to Google Earth and named all letters of Greek alphabet, one by one in their own separate threads. Usefulness of those things on DhO cannot be overstated!

You see, I react strongly not to his unskillful actions but to lack of skillful actions of 'overlord' and moderators who should clean up his mess that is affecting DhO reputation.

I don't see anything useful in 3T randomness. His posts look like ctrl-c ctrl-v mostly and when they look more personal they are even worse eg. like the one sawfoot quoted that is actually pretty creepy. But carry on with thinking he is some enlightened guru with special plan on how to make us all enlightened. Because this is what you think, right? emoticon

Imho he is not enlightened, quite the opposite. 3T is doing is exactly what make people unenlightened: some part of mind starts to spam everything so much that somehow overtime other parts start to think that there must be somehting very important if he is japping so much so loudly. Well, truth is that there isn't anything important, it's just japping mostly and there isn't anything special hidden in this noise except suppressed emotions that fuel his mind. 3T is so unenlightened that his inner chaos and noise starts to leak from him and doing damage in external world.

BTW. If you want some good source of dharma inspiration then instead of reading 3T posts this time is much better spend on watching eg. kittens on YT. At least kittens are cute and because they also are Buddhas you have 2in1 deal emoticon


Pawel, all you've done here is spout out unfounded opinions and speculation. This is a symptom of delusion, because only someone with an outlook massively distorted in their own favour could believe this is sufficient to be taken seriously - that "I Pawel K have said these things". This has also been posted in a thread you've created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if having him banned or reprimanded would take you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.

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12/20/13 4:57 AM as a reply to B B.
Hi everyone,

B B, the point isn't really just about a some harmless posts. The issue as I saw it was one person taking over the forum. But there is a greater issue at stake.

The greater issue is at stake is what kind of community do we want to be a part of?

Chuck Kasmire:

triple think:
I'm not the right person to be mollycoddling Iddhi-0ts.
I'm here to offer the straight up goods to the sincere and those who have the will to practice well.
The antagonistic will simply get what's naturally coming to them.

Looking back through Nathans recent posts - seems like that is exactly what he is doing - I'm enjoying it.

As you might recall, the opening statement on the home page reads
The Dharma Overground is a resource for the support of hardcore meditation practice.

What I find is that where anyone has an actual question related to that statement, he has given really good and helpful advice or a thoughtful opinion. Where he does otherwise - well look at what he is responding to. You give it - you get it. An Instant Karma moment.



Many of us (I hold my hands up) are guilty are intellectual masturbation and antagonism at times (pot and kettle, Chuck).

But we aren't on Ruthless Truth. Hardcore doesn't mean being horrible to each other.

I don't want to be part of a forum where antagonism, rude, aggressive, spiteful and threatening behaviour is seen as useful and encouraged, and where people take pleasure from it. Where calling people "fucking morons" is something to proud of. This is pretty far from skilful and healthful means.

"1) The DhO is about the support of hardcore meditation practice, real attainments, and dedicated adventurers exploring the limits of what is possible in this life in terms of clarity, wisdom, concentration, investigation, personal empowerment, and the vast range of experiences that come from those pursuits of benefit to their personal goals and dreams for their own practice and the elimination of what suffering can be eliminated by whatever healthful means and the promotion of what happiness, freedom and other extended and unusual capabilities are possible by whatever healthful means."

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12/20/13 5:10 AM as a reply to B B.
Paweł K:


BTW. If you want some good source of dharma inspiration then instead of reading 3T posts this time is much better spend on watching eg. kittens on YT. At least kittens are cute and because they also are Buddhas you have 2in1 deal emoticon



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12/20/13 10:31 AM as a reply to B B.
B B:
Pawel, all you've done here is spout out unfounded opinions and speculation. This is a symptom of delusion, because only someone with an outlook massively distorted in their own favour could believe this is sufficient to be taken seriously - that "I Pawel K have said these things". This has also been posted in a thread you've created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if having him banned or reprimanded would take you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.

Ah the classic "your complaints are not valid because you are deluded, and you should please stop talking and instead practice more" approach! An interesting approach to putting one down via morality, one commonly found in Buddhistic internet forums such as these.

Consider that you could say exactly the above as a response to just about any complaint. Say we have a poster, Fooman, who has created four threads a day, and responded in each of the top 20 threads on recent posts each day, with posts along the lines of "OMG MEDITATION IS GAY", or "HI GUYS GUESS WHAT I DID YESTERDAY THATS RIGHT I DIDN'T MEDITATE CUZ I HAV A LIFE", etc. Now someone makes a thread complaining - hey can we ban Fooman? This guy is seriously annoying and disruptive of the community. Then someone comes along and says:

Your complaint has been posted in a thread you've created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if having him banned or reprimanded would take you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.


All of this applies 100% to the person complaining about Fooman's bothersome posts, yet I doubt it would be posted because it WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HELP AT ALL AND THERE'S NEVER A POINT TO SAYING THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU CAN SAY TO ANYBODY WHOM YOU DISAGREE WITH.

You're not the only one that does this, B B, you just happened to be the latest one when I decided to write something about it.

Cheers,
- Claudiu

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12/20/13 12:19 PM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem:
B B:
Pawel, all you've done here is spout out unfounded opinions and speculation. This is a symptom of delusion, because only someone with an outlook massively distorted in their own favour could believe this is sufficient to be taken seriously - that "I Pawel K have said these things". This has also been posted in a thread you've created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if having him banned or reprimanded would take you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.

Ah the classic "your complaints are not valid because you are deluded, and you should please stop talking and instead practice more" approach! An interesting approach to putting one down via morality, one commonly found in Buddhistic internet forums such as these.

Consider that you could say exactly the above as a response to just about any complaint. Say we have a poster, Fooman, who has created four threads a day, and responded in each of the top 20 threads on recent posts each day, with posts along the lines of "OMG MEDITATION IS GAY", or "HI GUYS GUESS WHAT I DID YESTERDAY THATS RIGHT I DIDN'T MEDITATE CUZ I HAV A LIFE", etc. Now someone makes a thread complaining - hey can we ban Fooman? This guy is seriously annoying and disruptive of the community. Then someone comes along and says:

Your complaint has been posted in a thread you've created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if having him banned or reprimanded would take you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.


All of this applies 100% to the person complaining about Fooman's bothersome posts, yet I doubt it would be posted because it WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HELP AT ALL AND THERE'S NEVER A POINT TO SAYING THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU CAN SAY TO ANYBODY WHOM YOU DISAGREE WITH.

You're not the only one that does this, B B, you just happened to be the latest one when I decided to write something about it.

Cheers,
- Claudiu


I didn't want to be mean to B B as it would have ruined my taking the higher ground, but since you have started, can I give my version?


B B, all you've done here is spout out unfounded opinions and speculation. This is a symptom of delusion, because only someone with an outlook massively distorted in their own favour could believe this is sufficient to be taken seriously - that "I B B have said these things". This has also been posted in a thread that has been created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if complaining about the original poster will make you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.


Another related one ("turning the focus on yourself") is the advice that if we find people are being harmful, we should be grateful to them and use that as an opportunity to examine our aversion to that harm (cough, nikolai, cough, inflows and outflows, cough).

Not altogether terrible advice, though. Reminds me of Lojong's "Drive all blames into one"

http://www.kagyu.org/slogans/instruction_12.html
http://www.tricycle.com/web-exclusive/train-your-mind-drive-all-blames-one

In other news, Nathan have have given us his parting farewell on another thread. RIP, TripleThink.

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12/20/13 2:03 PM as a reply to sawfoot _.
sawfoot _:
I didn't want to be mean to B B as it would have ruined my taking the higher ground, but since you have started, can I give my version?


B B, all you've done here is spout out unfounded opinions and speculation. This is a symptom of delusion, because only someone with an outlook massively distorted in their own favour could believe this is sufficient to be taken seriously - that "I B B have said these things". This has also been posted in a thread that has been created solely for the purpose of complaining about the trivial inconveniences caused by one poster, as if complaining about the original poster will make you one step closer to lasting satisfaction. This is ignorance, as only looking within will do that; you can either spend countless further lifetimes continuing to grapple with the ever-changing present to better suit some passing desire, or you can turn your focus on yourself, your own reactions to the world. In other words, this kind of whining is the exact opposite of what a serious practitioner of the Buddha's teachings should be doing.

Ah yes, that would also work. This is just one of the ways to take a "holier than thou" attitude and as we have both demonstrated there's actually nothing of value being said, since it can be applied to anything. But if someone is on "your side" they will agree and if someone is not on "your side" they will disagree, so really it's just a way of perpetuating what you think, feel, and/or believe without any legitimate reasoning to back it up.

sawfoot _:
Another related one ("turning the focus on yourself") is the advice that if we find people are being harmful, we should be grateful to them and use that as an opportunity to examine our aversion to that harm (cough, nikolai, cough, inflows and outflows, cough).

Ah indeed! Thanks, this has given me the inspiration to go on a killing spree in my area. Imagine how grateful people will be when they get the opportunity to examine their aversion to me killing their son, cutting off his leg and using it to club their dog to death, and then using said dog's blood to paint a pentagram on the wall.

sawfoot _:
Not altogether terrible advice, though. Reminds me of Lojong's "Drive all blames into one"

http://www.kagyu.org/slogans/instruction_12.html
http://www.tricycle.com/web-exclusive/train-your-mind-drive-all-blames-one

I put these in exactly the same category as B B's post, namely, empty words which might sound wise but are really not worth much at all, though there are kernels of useful things in there, but I think they are abused and distorted too much.

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12/20/13 3:09 PM as a reply to sawfoot _.
Paweł K:
now I feel bad for 3T


lol

maybe he is just a really really good troll then

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12/21/13 3:21 AM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem:


sawfoot _:
Not altogether terrible advice, though. Reminds me of Lojong's "Drive all blames into one"

http://www.kagyu.org/slogans/instruction_12.html
http://www.tricycle.com/web-exclusive/train-your-mind-drive-all-blames-one

I put these in exactly the same category as B B's post, namely, empty words which might sound wise but are really not worth much at all, though there are kernels of useful things in there, but I think they are abused and distorted too much.


I am not particularly invested in the contents of those links, but I don't thnk the sentiment is so easily dismissed, and is germane.

The dharma point is the idea that much of our suffering comes wanting the world and other people to be the way we want them to be, which stems from an overly self-centered orientation to life. Yes, it is open to abuse and distortion (killing spree point), but that doesn't make it invalid, just difficult to reconcile with less self-centered desires of wanting the world to be a better place.

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12/21/13 3:26 AM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
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Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem]
sawfoot _:
Not altogether terrible advice, though. Reminds me of Lojong's "Drive all blames into one"

http://www.kagyu.org/slogans/instruction_12.html
http://www.tricycle.com/web-exclusive/train-your-mind-drive-all-blames-one

I put these in exactly the same category as B B's post, namely, empty words which might sound wise but are really not worth much at all, though there are kernels of useful things in there, but I think they are abused and distorted too much.

I am not particularly invested in the contents of those links, but I don't thnk the sentiment is so easily dismissed, and is germane.

The dharma point is the idea that much of our suffering comes wanting the world and other people to be the way we want them to be, which stems from an overly self-centered orientation to life. Yes, it is open to abuse and distortion (killing spree point), but that doesn't make it invalid, just difficult to reconcile with less self-centered desires of wanting the world to be a better place.

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12/21/13 11:45 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
What type of community do you want to be a part of? It is a good question.

This community has changed a lot over the years in all sorts of directions, ebbed, flowed, wandered, returned, expanded, contracted, become fascinated by various things, rejected those same things, etc.

It is a moving target as wide as a barn wall.

The major themes that people find interesting here change frequently.

Regarding the light moderation tone here, I take a long-term view most of the time, realizing that sometimes this is a messy business, people change and grow and experiment, go through various phases themselves, come, go, and some come back later on, and giving some space for that has its value, I feel. When I look back at my own chaotic path, I am glad for what bits of space I had to process it, and I try to offer the same.

If you are bored or frustrated, either take a break or add something that draws things in some other direction based on its merits and value to practitioners. I do both of those often, and find them good personal strategies. There are numerous good dharma communities, and then there is also Parks and Recreation, which is pretty funny. The episode on meditation (season 4, episode 19) really had me laughing hard.

I have spend months not reading this place much at all, and other weeks I post and post and post. I would not like it much if someone decided that my frequent posting phases were too much.

Triple Think in specific has real wisdom and experience that are pretty rare, though I agree his style is unique and might not be to everyone's taste, and I think that some of that is probably intentional on his part, though I speculate on this. I believe there is method in his madness. If you don't like his stuff, don't read it. That is my strategy with plenty of things here, and I find it effective and extremely easy to implement.

I have seen tons of posts here by plenty of people who offer far less really heavy dharma by way of comparison, so banning him or moderating him at this point doesn't appeal to me personally. I have allowed lots of stuff here over the years that pissed people off but later proved to have some value, and so have found through experience that, as the forum has the space to handle it, and our minds have the space to handle it, just so by allowing the gold in with the trash, there is in the end more gold, and people will sort that out for themselves, and it may not always be so neatly presented and so perfectly summarized and edited for everyone's taste.

This thread reminds me a bit of NPR covering some other media organizations extensive fascination with the OJ trial, it was still coverage of the OJ trial, but lacked even the few fun details the coverage they were covering had. In short, is this thread about threads you don't like that do contain heavy dharma wisdom in places, and yet it generally lacks that. In short, is spending 50 posts posting about bad posts just increasing the problem? I obviously posted here, so is that even worse? Things to ponder...

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12/21/13 1:41 PM as a reply to Daniel M. Ingram.
Daniel M. Ingram:
What type of community do you want to be a part of? It is a good question.

Triple Think in specific has real wisdom and experience that are pretty rare, though I agree his style is unique and might not be to everyone's taste, and I think that some of that is probably intentional on his part, though I speculate on this. I believe there is method in his madness. If you don't like his stuff, don't read it. That is my strategy with plenty of things here, and I find it effective and extremely easy to implement.

I have seen tons of posts here by plenty of people who offer far less really heavy dharma by way of comparison, so banning him or moderating him at this point doesn't appeal to me personally. I have allowed lots of stuff here over the years that pissed people off but later proved to have some value, and so have found through experience that, as the forum has the space to handle it, and our minds have the space to handle it, just so by allowing the gold in with the trash, there is in the end more gold, and people will sort that out for themselves, and it may not always be so neatly presented and so perfectly summarized and edited for everyone's taste.



To draw out a key point here, and an implicit answer to the question, the James Yen comparison (my dharma brother, hi James!) seems relevant. James has his own unique style that wasn't to everyone's taste, perhaps a method to his madness, and may have had some gold in amongst the trash. James (like TripleThink (arguably)) engaged in troll-like behaviour and spammed the forum. If you didn't like it, it could easily be ignored. There are other similarities and differences, but the crucial difference to my mind is that James didn't have anyone's respect. He hadn't experienced "heavy dharma", and wasn't offering "heavy dharma". And so he got banned and posts deleted.

This might be stating the obvious, but my interpretation of Daniel (and stated more explicity by Chuck above) is that you can act as you please, so long as you have their respect, where respect comes from your engagement in "heavy dharma" (AKA "hardcore dharma"). If you are perceived to be one of the naysayers lacking in "heavy dharma", then you don't deserve much respect, and, at least in TripleThink's eyes, deserve both barrels. So the answer to the "what kind of community question", and an entirely consistent one from Daniel, is a community where hardcore practice comes first.


TripleThink:

"I'm here to offer the straight up goods to the sincere and those who have the will to practice well.
The antagonistic will simply get what's naturally coming to them.
I'm doing them a favor by progressively becoming ever more of a bastard about dealing with it, I should just let their chips fall where they will and heartlessly watch on, doing my level best to not so much as smile."

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12/21/13 2:00 PM as a reply to sawfoot _.
Indeed.

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12/21/13 4:41 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
Indeed.


Ok, Nikolai, I am taking that rather strange post to say that you are in whole hearted agreement that "hardcore dharma" is a "good thing" and that vision of community is one to be proud of.

I think it is time for me to take one of those breaks.

In parting, let us bask again in the real wisdom and experience that is pretty rare these days. A truly totally ultimate warrior of the heaviest dharma. We were lucky to have him.

TripleThink:

I am simply put, merely this one solitary and particular BAD ROBOT, the only distinction being that, I can see this machine for what it is.

So then, just what the fuck do you want from me people? Want me to sing you your favorite lullabies while you drift off into an even deeper sleep?

Well, I'm not your mommie ok? Shit, you don't even consider our common earthly Mother to be worthy of your considerations; the way you carve her up into strips of raw and disposable meat.

Well then, you fucking pussies, come over here and do your worst!

When you are finished with your pathetic minsitrations and I am still standing here, blankly staring all along as your futile fist falls glance off of my indomitable chin, then you had best be on your way before Jesus bids me un-holster my pistols and gives me the nod.