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Stick Man, modified 8 Years ago at 5/1/15 10:07 PM
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return to practice after long pause

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It's a long time since I meditated much, and I'm going to commit to a seven day, two hour a day practice, and write the results here, as I feel like revealing. Breath watching and body scanning, start easy with inducing some relaxation and pleasure. Hedonism, really, which I know is somewhat frowned on but I want to do it.

What do people think of this as a meditation practice - few deep breaths, look for the feeling between the eyebrows, and then proceed to scanning for sensation looking particularly at chakra areas ? Where would that fit in with traditional practice ?
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Excerpt from Mahaparinirvana sutra:
"O good man! A good charioteer can drive a four-horse carriage and run it quickly or
slowly as the occasion requires. As the quickness or slowness matches well with the occasion, we
say equanimity. It is the same with the Bodhisattva. One who has much samadhi also practises
Wisdom; one who has much Wisdom practises samadhi. As samadhi and Wisdom are equal, we
have equanimity. O good man! The Bodhisattva of the ten stages has much power of Wisdom,
but little power of samadhi. Hence, he cannot clearly see the Buddha-Nature. Sravakas and
pratyekabuddhas have much power of samadhi, but little Wisdom. Because of this, they cannot
see the Buddha-Nature. The All-Buddha-World-Honoured One has samadhi and Wisdom in
equal parts and sees well the Buddha-Nature. All is clear and transparent, as when one sees
a mango that is in one’s own palm. One who sees the Buddha-Nature is the phase of
equanimity.

"Samatha means "thoroughly extinguishing", because it thoroughly does away with the
bondage of defilement.
"Also, samatha is called "that which well adjusts", because it well adjusts the evil and
non-good of all the sense-organs.
"Also, samatha is called quietude, as it indeed makes the three actions [of body, mouth
and mind] quiet .
"Also, samatha is called segregation, as it enables beings to part well from the five desires.
"Also, samatha is called "purifying well", because it purifies well the three contaminations
of greed, ill-will, and ignorance. Because of this, we say "settledness".

"Vipasyana is called right seeing. Also, it is called seeing clearly. Also, it is called seeing
well. Also, it is called all-seeing. Also, it is called gradual seeing. Also, it is called seeing
individually. This is called Wisdom.
"Equanimity is called all-equal. Also, it is called non-disputation. Also, it is called
non-seeing. Also, it is called non-acting. This is equanimity.
"O good man! There are two kinds of samatha. One is mundane, and the other supramundane.
And there are two kinds. One is accomplished, and the other non-accomplished.
[Those of] the accomplished are all the so-called Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. And the nonaccomplished
are the so-called sravakas and pratyekabuddhas.

"Also, there are three kinds, namely: low, middle, and top. The low relates to common
mortals; middle to sravakas and pratyekabuddhas; and top to all Buddhas and Bodhisattvas.
Also there are four kinds, namely: 1) retrogressing, 2) abiding, 3) progressing, and 4) greatly
benefiting. Also, there are five kinds, which are the so-called five-knowledge samadhis. These
are: 1) samadhi of non-eating, 2) faultless samadhi, 3) samadhi in which the body and mind
are pure and the mind is one, 4) samadhi in which one feels pleased with both cause and effect,
and 5) samadhi in which one always prays in one’s heart.

"Furthermore, there are six kinds, which are: 1) samadhi in which one meditates on white
bones, 2) samadhi of compassion, 3) samadhi on the twelve links of interdependent arising, 4)
samadhi on anapana , 5) samadhi on the discriminatory mind of beings, and 6)
samadhi on birth and death. Also, there are seven kinds, namely the so-called seven Bodhi
elements. These are: 1) mindfulness, 2) discernment of Dharma, 3) effort, 4) joy, 5) repose, 6)
concentration, and 7) equanimity.

"Also, there are seven kinds, which are: 1) srotapanna-samadhi, 2) sakrdagamisamadhi,
3) anagami-samadhi, 4) arhat-samadhi, 5) pratyekabuddha-samadhi, 6) Bodhisattvasamadhi,
7) the Tathagata’s All-Awakened Samadhi.

"Also, there are eight kinds, which are none other than the eight Emancipation samadhis.
These are: 1) samadhi in which one gets Emancipated from the notion of matter by meditating on
matter, 2) samadhi in which one seeks Emancipation by meditating further on the external phase
of matter, though internally the matter notion has already been done away with, 3) samadhi in
which one seeks Emancipation and its actualisation in one’s own body through the meditation
on purity, 4) boundlessness-of-space Emancipation samadhi, 5) boundlessness-of-consciousness
Emancipation samadhi, 6)existencelessness Emancipation samadhi, 7) thoughtlessness-nonthoughtlessness
Emancipation samadhi, and 8) cessation Emancipation samadhi.
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Rist Ei:
Excerpt from Mahaparinirvana sutra:


"Also, there are three kinds, namely: low, middle, and top. The low relates to common
mortals; middle to sravakas and pratyekabuddhas; and top to all Buddhas and Bodhisattvas.
Also there are four kinds, namely: 1) retrogressing, 2) abiding, 3) progressing,
and 4) greatly benefiting. Also, there are five kinds, which are the so-called
five-knowledge samadhis. These are: 1) samadhi of non-eating, 2) faultless samadhi,
3) samadhi in which the body and mind are pure and the mind is on,
4) samadhi in which one feels pleased with both cause and effect, and 5)
samadhi in which one always prays in one’s heart.

Rist Ei, what is the source of the quotation that you are using? Is it from Mahayana scriptures or elsewhere?

I ask because your use of the word "sutra" implies a Mahayana scriptural source. And also, because I have tried to locate the above passage in the Pali scripture, but am unable to find such a passage.
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Stick Man, modified 8 Years ago at 5/2/15 8:00 PM
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First session.
Scanning body looking for tingling or buzzing in feet, moving upwards, trying to connect with all parts of body.
Mental activity distracts from process, start again at bottom or at last place of distraction, working upwards.
Light sense of body internal feel.
Begin deep belly breathing, energising effect, tingling increased - buddhist name for that ?
Breath into belly, then into lower chest, then all the way up to throat, long exhalation start again, keep body scanning.
After several deep breaths feel pressure in sinus area and between brow.
Long streams of thought and emotion, ended with realisation of observation, observe thought stream, looking back inside body.
Deep breathing increases areas of tingle, better penetration of attention into body.
After short period, begin to feel a similar pressure in core, abdomen, a richer type of feeling.
Developing denser feeling in core accompanied by inner sense of darker and deeper inner space.
Point of view changes subtley, seems to be from further back in visual field, further back to back of head.
Sense that body and head are somewhat divided, as effort of deep breathing jams up against neck.
Somewhat different sense of space in below and above neck.
This has to be all physiological.
Trying to focus solely on sensation, clear mind of internal body image - arms legs etc, as I focus inside.
Relaxation increases, happy feeling arises spontaneously, spontaneous full natural smiles.
Spontaneous stretching.
Streams of thought continue ebbing and flowing, occasional vocalisation of thought, returning attention inside, remember to breath, allow breathing to return to normal.
Feeling generally diffuse, some concentrated pockets, no great activity in chakra areas, a little in base, no meridians etc, no heat, some pressure and increased sensation in brow.
Many areas where it's difficult to et a lock of feeling, blanks areas, tension.
Problems - discomfort in jaw, malloclusion, tinnitus increase.
Turn over, go to sleep.

Conclusion: probably some basic aerobic exercise and stretching needed to assist process.

And that's how things are for me, please comment Bs & Gs.
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Yes Mahayana.

the one i used is 

Translated into English by Kosho Yamamoto, 1973
from Dharmakshema’s Chinese version.
(Taisho Tripitaka Vol. 12, No. 374)


The Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra
Copyright of this edition is held by Dr. Tony Page;
for more information on the "Nirvana Sutra" please go to:
http://www.nirvanasutra.org.uk/.
PDF e-book created by do1@yandex.ru, 2007.

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i visited the site www.nirvanasutra.net
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Second sesh, same as first but less concentration, more compelling thought trains. Tired.


Science

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2013/05/14/breathing-and-your-brain-five-reasons-to-grab-the-controls/

"Physiology of long pranayamic breathing: neural respiratory elements
may provide a mechanism that explains how slow deep breathing shifts
the autonomic nervous system."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16624497

The Science of Breathing - Sarah Novotny and Len Kravitz, Ph.D.
http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/Breathing.html
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Stick Man, modified 8 Years ago at 5/7/15 7:54 PM
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Latsed all of two days. So much for that. Just busy.

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