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Alan Smithee, modified 4 Years ago.

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It has been a while since I've been on the board -- had a kid, started teaching, wrote a novel, blah blah blah -- but I was wondering if there are any updates regarding when Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha 2 will be available and/or published?

Thanks!  
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 4 Years ago.

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Thanks for your interest.

Currently on about page 320 of 445 in current format of editorial fourth pass.

After that will hand it to a few people to comment on, take those suggestions and incorporate them as best I can, then index it, last editorial pass for typos and final points, then send it on to the publisher, after which it is about 4-6 months to get it printed and out there, so, likely Fall, 2017 if all goes well. There may be an online version before that.

All this assumes a lack of legal complexity, which is not guaranteed, unfortunately, as that could further slow things down, but I hope not. It also assumes my continued good health, a lack of further life complexity, etc.

Daniel
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Alan Smithee, modified 4 Years ago.

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Daniel, 

Thanks!

Be well,

Alan  
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Great news, thanks. Looking forward to it.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 4 Years ago.

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MCTB apparently is not currently available from Amazon directly at the moment as my publisher (Aeon) is switching to a new distributor or printer or something, but it should be available again shortly, I am told.

MCTB2: currently a draft that is pretty close to done is being reviewed by a few people and, when their comments are back and incorporated, then I will index it, have it proofed once more, and send it on to the publisher. Yeah!

Hope you are all well!

Daniel
neko, modified 4 Years ago.

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Great news, Daniel! Thanks for your work emoticon
Alex W, modified 4 Years ago.

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Great! Can't wait to see this new baby

-Alex
Adrian Smith, modified 4 Years ago.

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Thanks for the update, really looking forward to this too. Dharma speed!
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Abingdon ., modified 4 Years ago.

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Very much looking forward to the new edition as well!
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ganesha, modified 4 Years ago.

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What exactly will MCTB2 be covering that will be different from MCTB?
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 4 Years ago.

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Given that I started editing it in late 2012 or so, I can't remember in all honesty what all the differences are.

It is longer, has more story to it, and has tried to incorporate the feedback I have gotten over the last 10 years on the book as best I can, time allowing. Beyond that, you will just have to see it.
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ganesha, modified 4 Years ago.

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Thank you
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Thanks for all your efforts, Daniel. Congrats on being close to done with the book. 
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supaluqi, modified 4 Years ago.

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re: MCTB A Revised Four Path Model (I tried to comment there but not sure if works)

You wrote
"Stream enterers cycle through the ñanas"

the context implies that all stream enterers cycle.

I wonder if this is the case for those who enter through the impermanence gate, but not necessarily the case for those who enter through the 'not self' gate?

In other words, the experience of breaking things down into vibrations and 3d snow, perhaps isnt necessary to get stream entry. I would speculate that emphasising impermanence practices leads to vibes and 3d snow and brings cycling to the foreground. Personally I believe I got stream entry via primarily samatha practice with a visual kasina and a vipassana attitude dominated by the 'not self' aspect. I could not control the (vipassana) jhanas, I randomly jumped up after energy surges without explicit inquiry or noting. I did perhaps 20% four foundations noting (after I reached 4th jhana). 80% samatha, and always in the background was awareness of 'who am I'? Thus I didnt cycle after path. Impossible?
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Rainbow, modified 4 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 4 Years ago.

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Yeah, that draft will not be included in the current version of MCTB2, as that involved my previous editor, and all that editing work was scrapped after complexity arose. Still, MCTB2 is based on the draft that that draft was based on, though the current version forks off of that in a slightly different direction.

The comments are back from some reviewers, and all their concerns have been incorporated and addressed as best I am able.

I am now in the indexing phase, which is fun, then I need to read it again front to back, something I haven't done in a while, then one more pass by an editor or two for last little typos and issues, and then it is off to the publisher, and I get my life back if all goes well. Yeah!
J C, modified 3 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
Yeah, that draft will not be included in the current version of MCTB2, as that involved my previous editor, and all that editing work was scrapped after complexity arose. Still, MCTB2 is based on the draft that that draft was based on, though the current version forks off of that in a slightly different direction.

The comments are back from some reviewers, and all their concerns have been incorporated and addressed as best I am able.

I am now in the indexing phase, which is fun, then I need to read it again front to back, something I haven't done in a while, then one more pass by an editor or two for last little typos and issues, and then it is off to the publisher, and I get my life back if all goes well. Yeah!

Is there any way we could get access to a draft to review? I'd love to look it over and I could proofread if you'd like.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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The first full pass of the index is done, now to clean the index up, read the whole darn thing again one last time all the way through, then one more proofreading, and I send it off to Aeon for publication. Yeah!
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Yeah!! Go Daniel go! emoticon
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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The index is done. It is about 20 pages long and totally over the top, thus fitting with the book nicely.

I will read the whole friggin' thing through once more, have one more proofreader read it, and it goes to the publisher if all goes well.
J C, modified 3 Years ago.

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Will it be available online or only as a print order through Aeon?
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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It will be available online as soon as certain other complexities are mitigated. Sorry for the delay and high security precautions. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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I have read the whole book through, and the last proofreader is on page 238 of 493 pages of the last proofreading, so, as soon as that is done and their suggestions and typo-corrections incorporated and accepted, which should be in the next few weeks, then my end is done until I get the proofs. Yeah!
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Much love and thanks for all the work that goes into this compassionate teaching. The first edition gave me hope and a path in a dark time in my life. Everyone who's supporting those supporting the creation of this project. All the family and friends of the author and editors and proof readers. Thank you.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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I just sent the final manuscript of MCTB2 to Aeon for publication.

What a long, strange journey it has been.

How long until it is in print, I have no idea.

My body is literally shuddering involuntarily with strange sense of the weight of the thing lifting off my shoulders.

May this work be for the benefit of all beings.

Tomorrow, I start on MCTB3... Kidding!

Be well and practice well,

Daniel
neko, modified 3 Years ago.

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Thanks, congrats, and looking forward to reading it! emoticon
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Ben V., modified 3 Years ago.

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Looking forward to readng it!
Mettafore, modified 3 Years ago.

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Congratutlations, Daniel.

MCTB1 was a high energy life-changing book. I am grateful to have come across the higher dharma concepts through it.

Looking forward to MCTB2. Will this edition have greater focus on more Shamtha or methods other than noting?
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person L, modified 3 Years ago.

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Congratulations, deep gratitude and look forward to reading it!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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More techniques, definitely much more samatha, much more magick, more autiobiography, and other odds and ends thrown in for good measure. It should fill in some parts of the middle better thant he first one did, I hope, and explain a lot of why the book is what it is. I think the original was about 150,000 words, and this is over 320,000, so it is over twice as long. I think it took longer to write than the original, but it is hard to remember at this great distance how long the first one took. The editorial process was certainly more, um, elaborate. The index alone is about 20 pages at 8.5x11", and how long it will be in print form I don't know. The cover will be basically the same. I think the format will be larger to accommodate the graphics, perhaps that size known as Crown Quarto.

As a point of idle curiosity, would anyone other than me be interested in "exemplar" versions, meaning hand-bound, on very nice paper, with a bookmark ribon, nice endpapers, and all of that? They obviously wouldn't be cheap to produce or purchase. I asked my publisher if he might produce a few in a limited edition, but haven't heard back from him about this yet, as I sent it Friday, and he was likely off over the weekend. I admit a fetish for nicely bound books but have no idea the degree to which others might appreciate that sort of thing. It may all be vanity and absurdity, yet for years I have dreamed of such a version anyway. If my publisher won't, I might have one made for myself for my private amusement.
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Chris Marti, modified 3 Years ago.

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... would anyone other than me be interested in "exemplar" versions, meaning hand-bound, on very nice paper, with a bookmark ribon, nice endpapers, and all of that? 

Count me in, Daniel. I think it would be a nice volume to have given the importance of the book to my personal history.
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Guilherme Saboia Lima de Souza, modified 3 Years ago.

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I would be nice to have a kindle version.
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Andrew K, modified 3 Years ago.

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Congrats on finishing it! Really looking forward to it. Thank you Daniel.
Re: special book binding, I'd be interested
J C, modified 3 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
More techniques, definitely much more samatha, much more magick, more autiobiography, and other odds and ends thrown in for good measure. It should fill in some parts of the middle better thant he first one did, I hope, and explain a lot of why the book is what it is. I think the original was about 150,000 words, and this is over 320,000, so it is over twice as long. I think it took longer to write than the original, but it is hard to remember at this great distance how long the first one took. The editorial process was certainly more, um, elaborate. The index alone is about 20 pages at 8.5x11", and how long it will be in print form I don't know. The cover will be basically the same. I think the format will be larger to accommodate the graphics, perhaps that size known as Crown Quarto.

As a point of idle curiosity, would anyone other than me be interested in "exemplar" versions, meaning hand-bound, on very nice paper, with a bookmark ribon, nice endpapers, and all of that? They obviously wouldn't be cheap to produce or purchase. I asked my publisher if he might produce a few in a limited edition, but haven't heard back from him about this yet, as I sent it Friday, and he was likely off over the weekend. I admit a fetish for nicely bound books but have no idea the degree to which others might appreciate that sort of thing. It may all be vanity and absurdity, yet for years I have dreamed of such a version anyway. If my publisher won't, I might have one made for myself for my private amusement.

Yes please. I love nicely bound books as well. I would preorder a few of those nice versions.

Is there any way to preorder the book now or get an electronic version or something? I want to read it as soon as possible!
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elizabeth, modified 3 Years ago.

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Congratulations!  and I would definitely be interested in one or more of the exempler versions.
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Congrats on finishing, can't wait to read it! Would be interested in the examplar.
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Simon Ekstrand, modified 3 Years ago.

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Wow, congratulations on getting it completed Daniel, what a long trip it has been.

Set this up so we can buy a signed copy directly from you please! emoticon

Really looking forward to reading the book.

Simon
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Mark Boolootian, modified 3 Years ago.

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J C, modified 3 Years ago.

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Wow thanks for the link! I hope it's available before then or there's an electronic copy available before then... I don't know if I can make it till March!!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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There will be a free electronic version again, like with the first edition, as the option to do that is in my publishing contract (gotta' love Aeon Publications, as who else would allow that?) but there are few complexities to work out beforehand owing to some odd quirks of the history of how this edition happened, so, as soon as those are sorted out, I will release the electronic edition.

Oliver at Aeon said they would be happy to produce a nice hardbound edition, so that will happen. Yeah! I will let you know more when I know more. In the meantime, there is typesetting, proofs to read, and all of that, which take some time.
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Where are we at please Daniel?
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned  - William Congreve, playwright 1670-1729
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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Aeon wanted to one last light editorial pass just to make sure they had read it and that all typos and little things had been caught, so it is on the desk of DB, likely back to me sometime this month, he thinks, and then I just need to read his edits and sign off on it and send it back and then they typeset it and make a book of it, so we are close.
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Daniel M. Ingram:
Aeon wanted to one last light editorial pass just to make sure they had read it and that all typos and little things had been caught, so it is on the desk of DB, likely back to me sometime this month, he thinks, and then I just need to read his edits and sign off on it and send it back and then they typeset it and make a book of it, so we are close.

Where are we with the electronic version? I'm so excited!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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The electronic version should be out around the same time the book is available, that being when the final version is completed and copywrited, with more details when I know them.

Some experiences along the way made me a bit more cautious about getting this one out, so apologies for that. I plan to update the version here in the wiki shortly thereafter, hopefully fix all the broken links, and also have a .pdf version available, and people likely will create ebook versions also, which is fine by me.

There is a new cover for the book, just slightly different, with pinkish-purple swirls on the front rather than the red ones of the first version, just finalizing all that now. Thanks to all who submitted designs years ago in that hilarious thread, but the final thing will be pretty close to the original.

I have no idea if MCTB2 will live up to people's expectations, but I have tried my best to enhance it, clarify things, and make it better and more usable, as well as a bit more human, as it has more of my story in it to help normalize things. It has been a long, strange road.

May all this work help practitioners to accomplish all they are capable of with more ease than might have happened otherwise.
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Daniel M. Ingram:
May all this work help practitioners to accomplish all they are capable of with more ease than might have happened otherwise.


Congratulations and deep gratitude, Daniel! I believe your work has and will benefit many! Looking forward to grabbing a copy... emoticon
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Richard Zen, modified 3 Years ago.

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Look forward to reviewing it.
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David Starflower, modified 3 Years ago.

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For clarification: Is MCTB2 a reboot or a sequel?
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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A revision and expansion, a 2nd edition.
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Alan Smithee, modified 3 Years ago.

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Yo yo! MCTB2 is now on Amazon for pre-orders! 

May 31, 2018.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1911597108/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I really can't wait to read this. Very exciting stuff. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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Yeah, except there are still a few hundred pages to do the last light edit on and the proofs to be approved, but otherwise we are close.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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Got through second batch of light edits to accept, mostly things about Aeon's preferred use of capitals and the like, which are done to the section on Fruition. It is pretty fast work at this point, but Aeon's editor's time is short, so not sure when the next batch will show up. Anyway, still progress is being made. Hopefully, it won't be much longer. It is fun re-reading it and realizing that all sorts of things I feared I forgot to include are all in there. May it help many practitioners to realize all this for themselves.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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The last light edit is finally done, the file is back on the desk of Aeon, and now there is just typesetting, proofs and print if all goes well.

Yeah!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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Rumor from Aeon is that it might be out by April, but those who know how this has gone so far will hopefully chuckle a bit when they read that. ;)
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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The typeset proofs are back on my desk, hopefully will have them reviewed in the next few weeks and back to Aeon for the final typesetting.
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Daniel - san, modified 3 Years ago.

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Awesome news! Looking forward to it 
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Can't wait!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 3 Years ago.

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I am done reviewing the typeset proofs, and two other readers are almost done with their review of them, and, when they are, I will compile all the little changes, send this off to Aeon (hopefully by the end of next week), they will then add the ones they wish to, and then we re-index it based on those, and it is done. Yeah!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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MCTB2 index and all TOC and other corrections should be done this week and printing should begin on Monday if all goes well. There will be a free version at www.mctb.org. I will work to create a summary of the key points, as it is now very long. I have two friends who have volunteered to help with the summary creation process, and there might be more helping.
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Dada Kind, modified 2 Years ago.

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! Good news

Not sure if you've been asked this yet, but has the publication of similar pragmatic-oriented books by Rob Burbea, Shinzen Young, Culadasa, Leigh Brasington, etc in the past few years influenced MCTB2 significantly? Content-wise? In presentation/style, at least?

Thanks!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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MCTB2 is very much like MCTB, just a lot longer. Its style is very much the same, the writing very much my own. The quirks are there in abundance. It makes no attempts to be anything other than what it is. Still, I am pondering what will be involved in creating a much shorter summary in the range of 100 pages or so. That will be a project that will have to wait until I sell my houses and land, as that is the next large time-suck project that needs to be finished.
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Daniel M. Ingram:
MCTB2 is very much like MCTB, just a lot longer. Its style is very much the same, the writing very much my own. The quirks are there in abundance. It makes no attempts to be anything other than what it is. Still, I am pondering what will be involved in creating a much shorter summary in the range of 100 pages or so. That will be a project that will have to wait until I sell my houses and land, as that is the next large time-suck project that needs to be finished.
Are you moving somewhere Daniel? Is that New York or so? :-)))
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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Plan is sell main house, be homeless for a while, wander the world for some indefinite period doing what seems best, see what happens.
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Finishing checking the typeset proofs of the index shortly, which is the last thing to do, then will send off the last of the corrections and the beast will be done, hopefully in the next few hours. 

The index is totally over the top, by the way, at about 20 pages, and I still laugh out loud every time I read it.
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Daniel M. Ingram:
Finishing checking the typeset proofs of the index shortly, which is the last thing to do, then will send off the last of the corrections and the beast will be done, hopefully in the next few hours. 

The index is totally over the top, by the way, at about 20 pages, and I still laugh out loud every time I read it.

Do you know how long it will take between this process being completed and when it will start shipping?

I read the first one on the computer and have been waiting to buy a physical copy of this one, looking forward to seeing it!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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possibly the end of the month or so
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Looking forward to the new version. Thanks for your dedication in producing it. Any chance the previously mentioned deluxe version with quality binding, etc will get released? I'd order one without hesitation. Do you have an expression of interest list for this project to gauge numbers?
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Daniel M. Ingram:
possibly the end of the month or so


Does that mean that this release date of June 30 is not fixed?
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Dada Kind, modified 2 Years ago.

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Fair enough.

Will the online version be up on MCTB.org before or after the physical release?

What's the 100 page summary for? Physical release or online only?
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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Owing to some complexities that happened along the way, the online version won't be available until I have the copyright, as I would prefer to avoid the possibility of anyone doing anything surprising and unfortunate, such as trying to copyright my book as theirs. Sorry for this precaution. The copyright shouldn't take that long, hopefully.

As to the summary, it will proceed from the online version and then what will happen with it I am not sure. It may eventually become a printed book. It may stay an online entity: no idea at this point. I will have to see where the wind takes it and what projects compete for my time and the time of those that might be helping with that project.
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Daniel M. Ingram:
Owing to some complexities that happened along the way, the online version won't be available until I have the copyright,


I believe that in strict legal terms, a work is copyrighted as soon as it is written. If you’re talking about registering with the U.S. copyright office, they say on their website to allow 6-18 months.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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Re: copyright times, one can pay the Copyright office an additional $875 expediting fee and obtain a copyright in a much shorter time. This has already been done multiple times with the book to defend my rights to the content of my works.

Re: copyright happening automatically, this is true unless you are possibly facing legal challenges in court, and then it is not true in practice and you need the real copyright certificate. Thus, given the odd history of this book, I am preparing most thoroughily just in case surprises occur. I expect none, given that this current published version goes back to a draft from before the trouble began and Y's off from there, using nothing of the disputed version, still, I am being cautious, particularly given the point below:

Re: giving out electronic copies before I have the copyright, this has only occurred on an extremely limited basis for those helping with the production of the book and a few other rare circumstances to very close friends who are trusted absolutely. Given that the copyright office is a bit rubber-stampy with any copyrights submitted, meaning that you can copyright in your name nearly anything that doesn't already have a registered copyright, and this apparently can't easily be stopped once it is submitted without a Federal Injunction, which are extremely hard and costly to obtain, and to fight said rubber-stampiness once it occurs costs in the $50,000-$100,000+ range in Federal court and takes years, I am taking no chances this time with the manuscript, given what happened earlier in its history. To get this manuscript to production has so far cost me in the $40,000 range, which is much more than MCTB1 generated in total revenue to me and more than MCTB2 is likely to generate in the next decade if MCTB1 is any guide. I would prefer to not have to add $50,000 to $100,000+ to that pricetag for obvious reasons, much less spend all that time around lawyers and in courts. Sorry for the level of caution. Patience is recommended.

Daniel
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 Patience is recommended.

Heck yeah!
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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I should note as a point of deep gratitude that a solid chunk of those costs were helped by a single donation by a skillful patron, so I didn’t have to bear all of those costs, but I did still ending up spending about what MCTB1 generated in revenue during its decade in printed publication. I actually am happy to keep the dharma very money-neutral, which this all ends up being, as I strongly feel that keeping the money part clean helps keep the dharma clean, and, oddly enough, through complexity, that has been almost exactly how things have ended up.
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Noah D, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
I should note as a point of deep gratitude that a solid chunk of those costs were helped by a single donation by a skillful patron, so I didn’t have to bear all of those costs, but I did still ending up spending about what MCTB1 generated in revenue during its decade in printed publication. I actually am happy to keep the dharma very money-neutral, which this all ends up being, as I strongly feel that keeping the money part clean helps keep the dharma clean, and, oddly enough, through complexity, that has been almost exactly how things have ended up.


This is a nice lesson!  Appreciated.
Hans, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
I would prefer to not have to add $50,000 to $100,000+ to that pricetag for obvious reasons, much less spend all that time around lawyers and in courts. Sorry for the level of caution.
Absolutely understood. I hope the copyright issues will be settled quickly and to your satisfaction. I'll just wait for my physical copy then.
Hans, modified 2 Years ago.

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Aeon just emailed me, they've received the paperback versions of MCTB2 and are starting to ship the preorders emoticon
Antonius Block, modified 2 Years ago.

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Hans, that's great news, I can see the paperback version is showing as "in stock" on the Aeon website. I hope the hardbound version follows soon!

Hmm, I hope there is no conflict between the paperback hitting the public domain and Daniel securing copyright. 
Nick Green, modified 2 Years ago.

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My (paperback) version arrived today here in UK! Whilst Amazon Prime have it listed for 30 June, I found another bookshop (via Amazon) listing it to deliver now (free P&P). On first opening the package I was intially surprised to see it physically bigger than the first version (same dimensions as TMI) but understandable given the increase in text. Also, delighted to see a long autobiographical section (maybe over 100 pages) that I gave a thumbs up for a while back on DhO. So, time to start reading. Thanks Daniel emoticon
Antonius Block, modified 2 Years ago.

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Nick, that's great news and interesting about your impressions, thanks for sharing. The online version at www.mctb.org is still "coming soon," I guess awaiting the copyright. No sign of the hardback version I ordered (I'm also in the UK) - still listed as forthcoming on the Aeon website. Looking forward to more discussion but in the meantime I will have to be patient.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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I finished creating all the pages for www.mctb.org, entering in all the book sections, with the large exception of the footnotes, still thinking about how to do that best in Wordpress. The footnotes are important and numerous. I was thinking of just putting them in [square brackets] wherever the footnote was to have been. Thoughts? Found the first error: a sentence that mentions a chapter that is no longer there. There will surely be others as well.
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Dada Kind, modified 2 Years ago.

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I'm not a Wordpress guy but,
https://wordpress.org/plugins/tags/footnotes/
One of these plugins might help. (Sorted by popularity). Anything to read it sooner emoticon
Bart, modified 2 Years ago.

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Hello Daniel, I would use square brackets with any number, and install this plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/footnotation/

As the documentation reads:

To make a footnote, type it inline within arbitrarily numbered square brackets:

[7. Example footnote.]
Antonius Block, modified 2 Years ago.

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Hello Daniel,

Just putting the footnote text in square brackets would be ok, but would disrupt the flow of the main text somewhat. There is a reason you put them into footnotes in the first place. Having said that, I don't have any clever ideas for how to do it better. I can't wait to read it in whatever format, square brackets or whatever :-)

Thank you for doing the free version, no doubt it will become a valuable web resource.
Hans, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel, would it possible to get an electronic copy privately, if I prove to you (via bank statement etc) that I've preordered the physical edition from Aeon? I'd love to get started reading it.
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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A hardbound, deluxe, limited edition of MCTB2 will be available and can be pre-ordered here from Aeon.I have asked Aeon to keep the markup in price over production costs the same as the paper version, but I don't know the production costs, so don't know how the price relates to the cost to make the book. Remember, there will be a free, online version here.

While seemingly a vanity project, which in some ways it is, I plan to give this more durable version to some meditation centers' libraries and the like. I also just love well-bound, durable books. Call me old fashioned.

The hardbound book cover will be of claret-colored Wibalin (an eco-friendly durable paper product), and the paper for the pages will be of 80gms Munken Premium Cream. The content will be the same.

A team has been assembled for a summary, condensed version of the book and we should start work shortly. It will likely initially be available at www.mctb.org, but Aeon has agreed to publish it in book form also when we are done. I imagine something that could fit in one's pocket and be about one tenth the length of the original. This will involve significant reduction in useuful content, but also create something far less daunting to read.

Thanks for your patience,

Daniel
Andrew, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
A hardbound, deluxe, limited edition of MCTB2 will be available and can be pre-ordered here from Aeon.


Order placed.

Thank you so much for both the work itself and making this edition available. As an avid reader I appreciate the modern benefits of ebooks and print on demand versions ensuring availability. There is just something a little sad about reading great ideas presented in condensed ugly fonts, haphazard bindings or barely opaque stock that has become too common (even in professional reference works, I'm looking at you Elsevier!). As any good magician, salesman or politician knows some attention to the context/medium/circumstances of the message contributes greatly to a successful transmission. So thank yo again for this.

   
Jinxed P, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel,

Why does Aeon go with such a high price? I understand for the deluxe edition, but even for MTCB 1, the price right now for the Kindle on Amazon is $25, and $40 for the paperback. How much will the new version cost? Only huge fans (like me) would pay such a price for the book, but there's no way the general public will. I can't imagine that price would be the most profitable for either you or Aeon. 

When the book comes out, I'm going to let all my dharma friends know about it, but if the cost is anything above $20 for a paperback I don't see them buying it. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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My deal with Aeon is that they have no control of the content and I have no control of the price. They did start the price a lot higher, actually, then dropped it at my request, then, after more requests, dropped it again, so it is a lot cheaper than it was, but I think that is as low as they will go, and there it is. There is also a free version that will be available, which is really cool of them to tolerate, and it will be in both .pdf and on a website www.mctb.org, once I get that up and everything is secure. Anyway, nothing else I can do about it. It will be what it is.
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Bronze Owl, modified 2 Years ago.

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It's been fascinating to read the progression of the book edits to the submission to the copywriting. Thank you for being transparent and open with the process!
Linda Wright, modified 2 Years ago.

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The Kindle version is out! I got an email from Aeon notifying me that it was awaiting me in my library. Looking forward to another deep dive.  

Thanks for all your effort on this enormous project, Daniel.
Antonius Block, modified 2 Years ago.

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Yes, I just pre-ordered the hardback version too. I know that the benefits from this book are going to be worth far more than the price to me. And, I love a good-quality hardback.
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Malte, modified 2 Years ago.

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This is awesome!! 
Looking forward to it.
Mantri Sanyasi Raj, modified 2 Years ago.

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Question about the Audio book - Is the audio book based on MCTB or MCTB2/ Sorry - It's not clear from the audio book link on Daniel's web ste. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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Current audiobook is from MCTB1. I will record an audiobook of MCTB2 myself when time permits.
Mantri Sanyasi Raj, modified 2 Years ago.

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Thanks - Looking forward to it. Due to a visual impairment, I rely on audio books rather than printed ones, so that would be very helpful. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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As to the audiobook, the time it will take me will be directly proportional to the amount of quality of the recording in terms of accuracy and professionalism. Even though I wrote it and know it well, I am a touch dyslexic and mix up words, word order, numbers and the like when I read out loud sometimes and can't always tell I have even done it. Audio quality will be very high regardless, as sound was my first career and I have a great recording rig, but reading quality might be variable unless I take a ton of time to carefully do takes of each part and edit carefully.

I am mostly tempted to just set aside a few days, read it into a good mic, edit it little, and let it be what it is, reading flaws and all. I doubt I can read it straight through without adding in some additional commentary, revision, laughter, sighs, perhaps snark, the occasional grunt, and other things that would generally be considered totally unprofessional in a normal audiobook but might just be fun here if people can get into that spirit of things. I think that would fit with the tone of the book, but some might not get it. Thoughts? Take the time to read it straight and clean and edit it very carefully or just read it in one take and to heck with it for the sake of expedience?

Daniel
Mantri Sanyasi Raj, modified 2 Years ago.

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My vote:  I am tempted to lean towards fun, impromptu and expediency emoticon
but as an afterthought will vote to - Please take your time to do it right. This is going to be a very important and vauable resource that will probably live on for a very long time.  Many people will just listen to the audio book and not read the print version so its quality  is as important as the print version and not just an add-on/extra.  So - Don't rush it!
Adam, modified 2 Years ago.

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At the risk of trying to have my cake and eat it... why not both? Suggest doing the one take approach one chapter at a time, as time and mood permits and release as a mini-podcast series on your website, indulging in any digressions you like (so almost like a directors cut/commentary). And also do a traditional/professional version as a proper audiobook even if it takes you a long time to get done, since the informal version would tide people over.

Related question - when will the hardback MCTB2 be done/sent?
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 2 Years ago.

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Alright, will think about those suggestions for the audiobook. The goofball in me wants to do it in funny accents: will have to work on that.

Just finished transferring all of the text including footnotes from the .pdf to Wordpress, so it is just a question of prettying up some links and getting some things settled and it will be up and available.

As to the hardback version of MCTB2: no idea when it will be done.

The summary team is assembled to start working on the stripped-down, practice-oriented pocket version: will see how that goes, but don't hold your breath, as it will be harder to meditate on it if you do. ;)
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curious, modified 2 Years ago.

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[quote=]Thoughts? Take the time to read it straight and clean and edit it very carefully or just read it in one take and to heck with it for the sake of expedience?

Daniel
It's a hard one Daniel.  The clean and perfect might reach a new audience, particularly the visually impaired.  Whereas the one take would be really appreciated by your existing audience.  I guess I'm inclined to say - let the author's voice shine through.  One take.  JMHO.
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Andromeda, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
As to the audiobook, the time it will take me will be directly proportional to the amount of quality of the recording in terms of accuracy and professionalism. Even though I wrote it and know it well, I am a touch dyslexic and mix up words, word order, numbers and the like when I read out loud sometimes and can't always tell I have even done it. Audio quality will be very high regardless, as sound was my first career and I have a great recording rig, but reading quality might be variable unless I take a ton of time to carefully do takes of each part and edit carefully.

I am mostly tempted to just set aside a few days, read it into a good mic, edit it little, and let it be what it is, reading flaws and all. I doubt I can read it straight through without adding in some additional commentary, revision, laughter, sighs, perhaps snark, the occasional grunt, and other things that would generally be considered totally unprofessional in a normal audiobook but might just be fun here if people can get into that spirit of things. I think that would fit with the tone of the book, but some might not get it. Thoughts? Take the time to read it straight and clean and edit it very carefully or just read it in one take and to heck with it for the sake of expedience?

Daniel
Life is too short to obsess over trying to make something clean and professional sounding, which would probably be no fun at all. Also, additional commentary, revision, etc. would probably be interesting to listen to and a reason to listen to the audio even if one has already read the book. 
Mantri Sanyasi Raj, modified 2 Years ago.

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Daniel M. Ingram:
As to the audiobook, the time it will take me will be directly proportional to the amount of quality of the recording in terms of accuracy and professionalism. Even though I wrote it and know it well, I am a touch dyslexic and mix up words, word order, numbers and the like when I read out loud sometimes and can't always tell I have even done it. Audio quality will be very high regardless, as sound was my first career and I have a great recording rig, but reading quality might be variable unless I take a ton of time to carefully do takes of each part and edit carefully.

I am mostly tempted to just set aside a few days, read it into a good mic, edit it little, and let it be what it is, reading flaws and all. I doubt I can read it straight through without adding in some additional commentary, revision, laughter, sighs, perhaps snark, the occasional grunt, and other things that would generally be considered totally unprofessional in a normal audiobook but might just be fun here if people can get into that spirit of things. I think that would fit with the tone of the book, but some might not get it. Thoughts? Take the time to read it straight and clean and edit it very carefully or just read it in one take and to heck with it for the sake of expedience?

Daniel

Hello Daniel,
Just wondering if you had a chance to work on the audio book project. Is there an MCTB2 audio book out there? Sorry oculd not locate and just wondering if we are any closer to seeing one anytime soon emoticon
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Laurel Carrington, modified 2 Years ago.

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Thanks for the update. Your readers are poised to swoop in and partake the moment it is released emoticon.
David R McCoy, modified 2 Years ago.

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I had just started the 1rst Edition ....and stopped when I heard MCTB2 was in the works...I just placed my order today as I like a hard copy... Looking forward to the new edtion!