Kundalini Awakening - Discussion
kriyas and the works. These are as common as the housefly and is NOT KA. I do not know if such experiences are even related to KA but they are NOT KA. If you need to think after reading the checklist if you have KA, overwhelming chances are that you did not and which means you really should not try insisting whatever view you have is right.
Firstly, let me say that whatever image there is that I/you have of me, especially from this forum IS NOT REAL. I do not know why I need to say this, but I am not writing this to feel better about an illusion of me. So flame me if you wish to but really, do save your bullets.
Checklist: Read this, she isn’t 100% correct but pretty much there. She cannot be 100% correct because everyone has a different experience. If anyone tells you X will happen after Y, Freeze or Flight are good responses. Anyone who presumes they know and pre-emptively instructs you is likely unenlightened by the experience (or didn’t have it) and cannot help you. Let go of fear (KA will not kill you) and resistance; explore with all the clarity and open-mindedness you can summon with equanimity.
Certainty if you have all: Full-time Off-cushion bliss+pain+ Initial BIG FEAR (unlike post SE, KA is a messy mixed bag of pain/pleasure with greater intensity and permanence); Positive physical changes; EMF incidences (interference with electronics, noticing that raptures or symptoms go towards the ground, whether you are /standing/sitting/lying on your back or belly - they all go South - an insight to what you really are?); KA is going not just at your head but all your organs too
Religion & Dogma: I a monk and am/am not a Buddhist depending on your definition of it. It is detrimental to my 'career' to associate myself with it, but denial is denial - so I hope you can gain some insight from this lowly monk. If you are Christian or Hindu or decide to be a snake-worshipper, that is really your choice and have nothing to do with how to deal with KA. I consulted a senior monk and he said that what I am going through is facing my karma. If this Thai Forest Tradition’s explanation works for you, to release the fear, accept whatever is happening every moment, investigating mindfully; there is nothing wrong with whatever you believe in as long as you follow the idiot-proof instructions. The difficulties are only 2, but they are in BOLD: FEAR + RESISTANCE
FEAR
The fear goes away when surrendered to; mine is gone within 2/3 sits of resolving to face it. Resistance is to be consciously dropped, resulting in a rapid-growth equanimity and bliss from love/acceptance of the uncertainty that Life is.
RESISTANCE
"The natural reaction to such a foreign internal take-over is resistance. Trying to fight an invisible, unknown power for never-before-contested rights of sovereignty over our own anatomy can become a terrifying battle. What changes our predicament, from one of being locked into combat with alien forces, to one of a peaceful witnessing of wonders is our surrender to the apparent whims of this newly assigned central-control operator. "If you have sky-high equanimity, you may follow the advice to treat it all as nonsense but you may lose the guidance/highly-attuned perceptive capabilities that when allowed to sensitize, can yield. Also when continuous treating it as nonsense or just another sensation, results in increasing intensity, resulting in breaches of your upper limits - It will be wise to step on the brakes and turn around to surrendering with trust – there may be truth in the Goddess/Evolutionary Force beliefs or you can expect highly-tuned perceptive capabilities but only you can find out for yourself.
Explanation of KA: Yes it is a concept just like Nibbana is one. We use the name so that we can refer to it without using 1000 syllables or substituting it with an important-sounding English string and feign divorce. If you have it, after a likely futile search, you will give up and look inwards to what is fondly called the Inner Guru. It may be beneficial to prematurely terminate your thirst for cognition. All the insights are in your own experience. To date, I have not found nor claim to understand it all - so use your time for other pursuits. The key here is to shake yourself loose of the notion that you can control and know what's up or what's coming up next.
What's Happening? <-Read: Kundalini cannot be charted... Investigate and Be your own guru! "I believe it is extremely important to honor our own development and not allow others who claim authority to tyrannize us."
So why is knowing the difference important? If you have a Fever from a common flu, you deal with it using method X. Chicken Pox – Method Y ; Malaria – Method Z They are all fevers - same same but different!
So why is it that we accept treatment for Chicken Pox but deny the existence of a Snake thingamabob named in India? Check to see if that has to do with your Western illusion of an identity of your Self. One can stay forever in his illusion that he does not have KA, and ‘medicate’ it with whatever resonates with his Self-Image – consider the detrimental effects and how you may be denying THE spiritual experience that others will die for (BUT you are in no way superior - I like my theory: these people do not need it ha). I have seen a handful of guys in the past months that are likely to be going through KA, one left without answers and the other went the Western route of tranquilizing it. I really hope that they are fine now (And I am regurgitating here because it's such a pity to see it happen again).
Ideal Progress: Clarity – Wisdom (to be open and equanimous) – Self-worthiness - Release of Fear – Acceptance – Trust – Joy - Faith – Happiness – Higher Perception/Receptivity - Reverence/Exploration (Not sure where enlightenment fits in, if at all - I cannot smell it)
A possible Kundalini path towards Full-Awakening: YMMV
I don’t know what is the deal with “But it is not Science!”, when the methods of deriving the information is the same. Do yourself and others a favor, there are rainbows after the storm, do not rain on your own or another’s parade by dismissing a wondrous experience OR try to reduce KA to X or Y – yes you can call a Tiger a cat, but there is no benefit of treating a Tiger as a domestic cat, is there?
Meditation Practice for awakening to Self: here Basically it says to merge with Shakti when it is full of bliss. No harm trying.
Exercises that work: Biology of Kundalini Read Inner Arts Page 410 onwards: NER & PSR works for me - really powers up the KA works, especially the Bliss.
I am trying to be concise, feel free to ask or hiss at me.
Metta + Karuna + Mudita to All & One!
Firstly, let me say that whatever image there is that I/you have of me, especially from this forum IS NOT REAL. I do not know why I need to say this, but I am not writing this to feel better about an illusion of me. So flame me if you wish to but really, do save your bullets.
Checklist: Read this, she isn’t 100% correct but pretty much there. She cannot be 100% correct because everyone has a different experience. If anyone tells you X will happen after Y, Freeze or Flight are good responses. Anyone who presumes they know and pre-emptively instructs you is likely unenlightened by the experience (or didn’t have it) and cannot help you. Let go of fear (KA will not kill you) and resistance; explore with all the clarity and open-mindedness you can summon with equanimity.
Certainty if you have all: Full-time Off-cushion bliss+pain+ Initial BIG FEAR (unlike post SE, KA is a messy mixed bag of pain/pleasure with greater intensity and permanence); Positive physical changes; EMF incidences (interference with electronics, noticing that raptures or symptoms go towards the ground, whether you are /standing/sitting/lying on your back or belly - they all go South - an insight to what you really are?); KA is going not just at your head but all your organs too
Religion & Dogma: I a monk and am/am not a Buddhist depending on your definition of it. It is detrimental to my 'career' to associate myself with it, but denial is denial - so I hope you can gain some insight from this lowly monk. If you are Christian or Hindu or decide to be a snake-worshipper, that is really your choice and have nothing to do with how to deal with KA. I consulted a senior monk and he said that what I am going through is facing my karma. If this Thai Forest Tradition’s explanation works for you, to release the fear, accept whatever is happening every moment, investigating mindfully; there is nothing wrong with whatever you believe in as long as you follow the idiot-proof instructions. The difficulties are only 2, but they are in BOLD: FEAR + RESISTANCE
FEAR
The fear goes away when surrendered to; mine is gone within 2/3 sits of resolving to face it. Resistance is to be consciously dropped, resulting in a rapid-growth equanimity and bliss from love/acceptance of the uncertainty that Life is.
RESISTANCE
"The natural reaction to such a foreign internal take-over is resistance. Trying to fight an invisible, unknown power for never-before-contested rights of sovereignty over our own anatomy can become a terrifying battle. What changes our predicament, from one of being locked into combat with alien forces, to one of a peaceful witnessing of wonders is our surrender to the apparent whims of this newly assigned central-control operator. "If you have sky-high equanimity, you may follow the advice to treat it all as nonsense but you may lose the guidance/highly-attuned perceptive capabilities that when allowed to sensitize, can yield. Also when continuous treating it as nonsense or just another sensation, results in increasing intensity, resulting in breaches of your upper limits - It will be wise to step on the brakes and turn around to surrendering with trust – there may be truth in the Goddess/Evolutionary Force beliefs or you can expect highly-tuned perceptive capabilities but only you can find out for yourself.
Explanation of KA: Yes it is a concept just like Nibbana is one. We use the name so that we can refer to it without using 1000 syllables or substituting it with an important-sounding English string and feign divorce. If you have it, after a likely futile search, you will give up and look inwards to what is fondly called the Inner Guru. It may be beneficial to prematurely terminate your thirst for cognition. All the insights are in your own experience. To date, I have not found nor claim to understand it all - so use your time for other pursuits. The key here is to shake yourself loose of the notion that you can control and know what's up or what's coming up next.
What's Happening? <-Read: Kundalini cannot be charted... Investigate and Be your own guru! "I believe it is extremely important to honor our own development and not allow others who claim authority to tyrannize us."
Those who have had relatively short and easy (and often partial) awakenings frequently make the false assumption that everyone's process should conclude quickly. There is a strong, unfortunate tendency to believe that the way one's own unfolding occurred is precisely the way it should be for everyone else.
Such narcissistic thinking leads to all sorts of useless criticism and poor advice.
Everyone I know who has undergone a prolonged Kundalini awakening has been told by at least one professed "expert" that he or she was definitely not experiencing Kundalini. People who have never themselves had Kundalini experiences are often more eager and evangelical in spelling out what is a "real" process than those who have actually gone through it themselves.
Such narcissistic thinking leads to all sorts of useless criticism and poor advice.
Everyone I know who has undergone a prolonged Kundalini awakening has been told by at least one professed "expert" that he or she was definitely not experiencing Kundalini. People who have never themselves had Kundalini experiences are often more eager and evangelical in spelling out what is a "real" process than those who have actually gone through it themselves.
Making sense of the suffering: Our understanding of the process can help us to better cope with the chaos. Chakras - maybe useful, maybe not.
So why is knowing the difference important? If you have a Fever from a common flu, you deal with it using method X. Chicken Pox – Method Y ; Malaria – Method Z They are all fevers - same same but different!
So why is it that we accept treatment for Chicken Pox but deny the existence of a Snake thingamabob named in India? Check to see if that has to do with your Western illusion of an identity of your Self. One can stay forever in his illusion that he does not have KA, and ‘medicate’ it with whatever resonates with his Self-Image – consider the detrimental effects and how you may be denying THE spiritual experience that others will die for (BUT you are in no way superior - I like my theory: these people do not need it ha). I have seen a handful of guys in the past months that are likely to be going through KA, one left without answers and the other went the Western route of tranquilizing it. I really hope that they are fine now (And I am regurgitating here because it's such a pity to see it happen again).
Ideal Progress: Clarity – Wisdom (to be open and equanimous) – Self-worthiness - Release of Fear – Acceptance – Trust – Joy - Faith – Happiness – Higher Perception/Receptivity - Reverence/Exploration (Not sure where enlightenment fits in, if at all - I cannot smell it)
A possible Kundalini path towards Full-Awakening: YMMV
I don’t know what is the deal with “But it is not Science!”, when the methods of deriving the information is the same. Do yourself and others a favor, there are rainbows after the storm, do not rain on your own or another’s parade by dismissing a wondrous experience OR try to reduce KA to X or Y – yes you can call a Tiger a cat, but there is no benefit of treating a Tiger as a domestic cat, is there?
Meditation Practice for awakening to Self: here Basically it says to merge with Shakti when it is full of bliss. No harm trying.
Exercises that work: Biology of Kundalini Read Inner Arts Page 410 onwards: NER & PSR works for me - really powers up the KA works, especially the Bliss.
I am trying to be concise, feel free to ask or hiss at me.
Metta + Karuna + Mudita to All & One!
IME, they are different things altogether e.g. the exact spot of tension in the 3rd eye feels the same in both, but for KA, you are off-cushion and focused on something important like reporting to your boss and you weren't mindful, this same tension can be there, along with nice raptures going on your face, teeth rattling, gut making embarrassing sounds coinciding with a painful laser-like beam at the same spot, your vision is overlayed with holographics synchronized with raptures on your head (if you pay attention), and head to toe - random vibrations, etc.
So same as in similar sensations are felt, but for where I am now, there is a whole lot of +/- stuff going on with no insights to what is going on: for someone familiar with the DN and passed EQ, this rocks their view of their level of equanimity. It is like passing the level 1 monster to facing a level 3 boss that morphs a level higher whenever you summon more EQ and it will NOT stop till you drop fear, trust and surrender.
I am not even sure if they should be linked but over here and in other sites like Mary's - they do. If we continue to use the common word K as we have been, I am meaning to say that they should be clearly distinguished from one another. Kriyas, the goodies experienced in A&P, some of the nasty stuff experienced in the DN Stages as KE. They really aren't the same thing!
The 1st indicator for me that things smell funny is when this stuff intrudes bigly into off-cushion living, contrasted with the background running or couple of seconds mindfulness post-SE cycling thing that slowly boots up to speed with increased mindfulness. Then the FEAR lesson starts to show itself - it is fear of plain death/complete disability or insanity itself, not of scenarios/objects. It sounds bloody mystical but it feels to me that it wants my unconditional surrender, come what may.
I wouldn't care about expounding their difference if it does not create havoc when mistaking KE for KA. I burned many sleepless nights searching, trying to understand, fearing and resisting - I would have been saved a lot of suffering if this info has been available so I wish others will not have to go through the same...
Kindly do let me know if my explanation is holey.
So same as in similar sensations are felt, but for where I am now, there is a whole lot of +/- stuff going on with no insights to what is going on: for someone familiar with the DN and passed EQ, this rocks their view of their level of equanimity. It is like passing the level 1 monster to facing a level 3 boss that morphs a level higher whenever you summon more EQ and it will NOT stop till you drop fear, trust and surrender.
I am not even sure if they should be linked but over here and in other sites like Mary's - they do. If we continue to use the common word K as we have been, I am meaning to say that they should be clearly distinguished from one another. Kriyas, the goodies experienced in A&P, some of the nasty stuff experienced in the DN Stages as KE. They really aren't the same thing!
The 1st indicator for me that things smell funny is when this stuff intrudes bigly into off-cushion living, contrasted with the background running or couple of seconds mindfulness post-SE cycling thing that slowly boots up to speed with increased mindfulness. Then the FEAR lesson starts to show itself - it is fear of plain death/complete disability or insanity itself, not of scenarios/objects. It sounds bloody mystical but it feels to me that it wants my unconditional surrender, come what may.
I wouldn't care about expounding their difference if it does not create havoc when mistaking KE for KA. I burned many sleepless nights searching, trying to understand, fearing and resisting - I would have been saved a lot of suffering if this info has been available so I wish others will not have to go through the same...
Kindly do let me know if my explanation is holey.
Hi Paul, I did not do Mahasi noting, I was practising a Thai Forest Tradition's method of reinforcing the knowing of the 3Cs when necessary, which is not often at all e.g. not when pain is clearly suffering. I am silent and note only when something new happens or something unclear needs to be reiterated. (Which is often 0-x times per sit) I should not hazard a guess of how KA happens.
Hi JP, your suggestions are very interesting and likely a possibility. I am keeping up the investigations but I am only a few months into this - I will report my findings when they are clear. However, from where I am the past months, investigating the 3Cs has been ridiculous.
Impermanence is clear as sky in the hundreds of sensations that hit the whole body and yet some of the more troubling ones aren't as they either repeatedly pound on the same spot or tension stays for days; Suffering is similar in that individual sensations shout it out but each moment is usually peppered with both pleasure/pain; Anatta: I was watching sensations that make up a sense of self before KA - now it becomes an activity too hard to perfom and leads to great confusion amongst the mess.
I have basically shelved the 3C practice for awhile now. Equanimity/trust in the process is much higher although I am pretty much unsure about everything! All I can say is that it seems to be shifting my attention towards other things. I felt it shifting me towards investigating and moving towards a more complete: acceptance of self, full honesty to self first then outwardly, uninhibited expression/sharing of feelings/happiness, gratitude, compassion/love; and rewarding it with a lot of rapture/bliss.
Something you might be able to make sense of: I can see holographic hands and multiple fans/wheels/petals of varying 'blades' (chakra means wheel, I have witnessed these stuff daily, way before reading about them (turning in similar/opposing directions that occur in tandem with stuff I feel on my head and torso, watching very carefully more often than I care to. You can for e.g. see that a finger cocks back for as long as a second or more and watch the whole movement before I feel the physical feeling. The images never makes a mistake as you can see them dissapearing, shifting or obscuring your entire vision when applying full force/contact. I can see them in broad daylight although the dance is much clearer in low light. I may sound insane but I have investigated many times with an empty mind - know how the mind tries to form recognizable stuff from clouds or patterns on the wall? This does not seem to come from that at all. Mental images yes but I cannot find a link to anywhere...
I have been testing how this thing work with a fellow meditator with physical contact: when I am having a good time, he gets positive effects; similar when I am getting the bad stuff. He needs to be in Access Concentration to perceive it and the similarities can be stuff like both feeling stuff going on in the stomach and him feeling breathless (Although he does not get the same effects as I do). He is convinced it works as he said that the effects are much stronger than him on his own and hasn't seemed to have KA yet and if he does, I will report.
Maybe others can chime in with their experience. The other recent thread has a wealth of information from dearest Daniel-san
Hi JP, your suggestions are very interesting and likely a possibility. I am keeping up the investigations but I am only a few months into this - I will report my findings when they are clear. However, from where I am the past months, investigating the 3Cs has been ridiculous.
Impermanence is clear as sky in the hundreds of sensations that hit the whole body and yet some of the more troubling ones aren't as they either repeatedly pound on the same spot or tension stays for days; Suffering is similar in that individual sensations shout it out but each moment is usually peppered with both pleasure/pain; Anatta: I was watching sensations that make up a sense of self before KA - now it becomes an activity too hard to perfom and leads to great confusion amongst the mess.
I have basically shelved the 3C practice for awhile now. Equanimity/trust in the process is much higher although I am pretty much unsure about everything! All I can say is that it seems to be shifting my attention towards other things. I felt it shifting me towards investigating and moving towards a more complete: acceptance of self, full honesty to self first then outwardly, uninhibited expression/sharing of feelings/happiness, gratitude, compassion/love; and rewarding it with a lot of rapture/bliss.
Something you might be able to make sense of: I can see holographic hands and multiple fans/wheels/petals of varying 'blades' (chakra means wheel, I have witnessed these stuff daily, way before reading about them (turning in similar/opposing directions that occur in tandem with stuff I feel on my head and torso, watching very carefully more often than I care to. You can for e.g. see that a finger cocks back for as long as a second or more and watch the whole movement before I feel the physical feeling. The images never makes a mistake as you can see them dissapearing, shifting or obscuring your entire vision when applying full force/contact. I can see them in broad daylight although the dance is much clearer in low light. I may sound insane but I have investigated many times with an empty mind - know how the mind tries to form recognizable stuff from clouds or patterns on the wall? This does not seem to come from that at all. Mental images yes but I cannot find a link to anywhere...
I have been testing how this thing work with a fellow meditator with physical contact: when I am having a good time, he gets positive effects; similar when I am getting the bad stuff. He needs to be in Access Concentration to perceive it and the similarities can be stuff like both feeling stuff going on in the stomach and him feeling breathless (Although he does not get the same effects as I do). He is convinced it works as he said that the effects are much stronger than him on his own and hasn't seemed to have KA yet and if he does, I will report.
Maybe others can chime in with their experience. The other recent thread has a wealth of information from dearest Daniel-san
Thanks Francis, please do not make me feel guilty in troubling you to research! I assume it is a walk in the park for this brilliant mind of yours to do so yeah?
I am having severe difficulties in tracking/fathom what this extremely fast/fluid hallucinating thing really is. The latest trouble is it now seems that it is not simply a mental image.
1. I stare at a wall and pinpoint the locations of the spinning wheels/vortices but when I move my head and/or peek - they seem to be in the same place!
2. I hear/feel them outside of my body. The stuff hits the pillow/blanket/clothing ~ 1 inch away from body boundaries.
I would hate to claim seeing other dimensions but this formation-like stuff is spooky and is tricking me to feel this way. Shikes...
I am having severe difficulties in tracking/fathom what this extremely fast/fluid hallucinating thing really is. The latest trouble is it now seems that it is not simply a mental image.
1. I stare at a wall and pinpoint the locations of the spinning wheels/vortices but when I move my head and/or peek - they seem to be in the same place!
2. I hear/feel them outside of my body. The stuff hits the pillow/blanket/clothing ~ 1 inch away from body boundaries.
I would hate to claim seeing other dimensions but this formation-like stuff is spooky and is tricking me to feel this way. Shikes...
Thanks Francis, please do not make me feel guilty in troubling you to research! I assume it is a walk in the park for this brilliant mind of yours to do so yeah?
I am having severe difficulties in tracking/fathom what this extremely fast/fluid hallucinating thing really is. The latest trouble is it now seems that it is not simply a mental image.
1. I stare at a wall and pinpoint the locations of the spinning wheels/vortices but when I move my head and/or peek - they seem to be in the same place!
2. I hear/feel them outside of my body. The stuff hits the pillow/blanket/clothing ~ 1 inch away from body boundaries.
I would hate to claim seeing other dimensions but this formation-like stuff is spooky and is tricking me to feel this way. Shikes...
I am having severe difficulties in tracking/fathom what this extremely fast/fluid hallucinating thing really is. The latest trouble is it now seems that it is not simply a mental image.
1. I stare at a wall and pinpoint the locations of the spinning wheels/vortices but when I move my head and/or peek - they seem to be in the same place!
2. I hear/feel them outside of my body. The stuff hits the pillow/blanket/clothing ~ 1 inch away from body boundaries.
I would hate to claim seeing other dimensions but this formation-like stuff is spooky and is tricking me to feel this way. Shikes...
Yilun Ong:
Thanks Francis, please do not make me feel guilty in troubling you to research! I assume it is a walk in the park for this brilliant mind of yours to do so yeah?
Labor of love for happiness without suffering; appreciated. I'll refrain from research unless something intuitively connects without anxious effort. In some ways that's what sparked me to respond, and was using it as training to learn how to respect and value people's lived experiences and see beyond the baggage of years of research I've already done, as well as shared goals and (to an extent) experiences.
Yilun Ong:
I stare at a wall and pinpoint the locations of the spinning wheels/vortices but when I move my head and/or peek - they seem to be in the same place! I hear/feel them outside of my body. The stuff hits the pillow/blanket/clothing ~ 1 inch away from body boundaries.
That's been my experience as well, but for the past few years it's mostly been a grid pattern that stays fixed to the walls/surfaces even when I move my head/eyes. I first started experiencing similar things (floating shapes/objects an inch out from the center of my vision) when I was in my mid teens during a bike trip that lasted a few months, but for me they've been fleeting occasional experiences that would pop up every now and then and then fade quicker than I can test how fixed they were. I didn't know what it was and puzzled at the mysteries without fear; the experience would come and go every now and then, and I'd feel curious.
Before all of that started, once a year I used to experience a sort of synaesthetic impression of what felt (at the time) like a rapidly mumbling voice not understood or heard in my mind but felt and semi-overlayed on my body/skin. I suspect that may be manifestations relating to how/why I grew up with some language/speech difficulties, but there are many overlaps and ways to look at experiences and things and so far on my journey it seems to be pointing towards more thorough levels of love, self-acceptance and intuition (non-attached information processing), but in my experience the conscious self doesn't dissappear, it can either collapse to conscious emptyness or get nourished by learning to tune into what it means in experience which can help relieve any fear.
Meditation references to self, no-self, impermanence, emptyness, letting go, seem to be sloppy misleading words that are prone to unnecessary fear and suffering of the unknowns embedded in the language and references, but they are layers to our experience and in some of those layers there are new and unique ways to look at the world and experience ourselves, some of which include connecting with ourselves and others, and some of which help process and overcome obsessions/attachment. There may be deeper mysteries beyond the surface experience (in part why I'm considering researching kundalini), but I mentioned iron pills because when I was anemic there were frequently reoccuring body tingling, vibrations and numbness sensations, it would temporarily spark a bit of a manic state, fueling a fire and ability to speak really fast which was a bit strange because I'm normally very calm, quiet, contemplative, perceptive, rarely speaking.
I considered my perspective but I discarded it. In the perspective that your actions will inspire confidence in the beautiful world they live in, that beautiful people like you exist, that online interaction isn't all scam, bad-blood and no connection, this should be done, we pay it forward as one united people...
The address is:
Phra (means monk in Thai) Yilun
Wat Doi In Cee
Doi Hang
Chiang Rai 57000
Thailand
Please just send a bottle and not a whole box! Read this yesterday and this guy makes some good points which made me think of you:
Hmmm bad excerpts, best to read it all haha. Much thanks in advance, the warmth and love you exude is worth tonnes of iron IMO.
The address is:
Phra (means monk in Thai) Yilun
Wat Doi In Cee
Doi Hang
Chiang Rai 57000
Thailand
Please just send a bottle and not a whole box! Read this yesterday and this guy makes some good points which made me think of you:
For instance, 1,000 years ago, if you were a genius born on a farm, it didn't matter -- it just meant you were going to be a genius who shoveled shit. Two hundred years ago, if you were a genius who was born as an African-American, it didn't matter -- you were going to live your life as a genius slave. A hundred years ago, if you were a genius who was born a female, it didn't matter -- you were going to be a genius who stayed home and changed diapers.
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You have to keep doing that work because there are still all sorts of imbalances that need correcting. Right now, there's some toddler with a brain capable of curing cancer, and we're never going to know because he was born in inner-city Detroit, and he's going to go to a bullshit school and grow up with no positive role models. And the moment he commits a misdemeanor as a teenager, society is going to declare him a lost cause and flush him away. The process intended to discover his talent, cultivate it, and get him into a lab curing your cancer is still in shambles. Please note that it's just as tragic if, instead of curing cancer, his best-case scenario is to grow up to be a good friend and father while doing oil changes at Jiffy Lube.
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A helpful way to look at it is to view all of human history as a Dude, Where's My Car? situation. You wake up one day and find that you did all sorts of shit -- good and bad -- that you have no memory of. And it doesn't matter because it was still you. And I'm saying, it was literally you -- if put in the same situation, you would have done the same thing your forefathers did. The only reason you've escaped guilt, and the only reason you're able to watch old Bugs Bunny cartoons and cringe at how racist they were, is because you were born in an era after other people had already done a lot of the hard work rooting out that shit. You know what your great-grandparents didn't.
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You have to keep doing that work because there are still all sorts of imbalances that need correcting. Right now, there's some toddler with a brain capable of curing cancer, and we're never going to know because he was born in inner-city Detroit, and he's going to go to a bullshit school and grow up with no positive role models. And the moment he commits a misdemeanor as a teenager, society is going to declare him a lost cause and flush him away. The process intended to discover his talent, cultivate it, and get him into a lab curing your cancer is still in shambles. Please note that it's just as tragic if, instead of curing cancer, his best-case scenario is to grow up to be a good friend and father while doing oil changes at Jiffy Lube.
...
A helpful way to look at it is to view all of human history as a Dude, Where's My Car? situation. You wake up one day and find that you did all sorts of shit -- good and bad -- that you have no memory of. And it doesn't matter because it was still you. And I'm saying, it was literally you -- if put in the same situation, you would have done the same thing your forefathers did. The only reason you've escaped guilt, and the only reason you're able to watch old Bugs Bunny cartoons and cringe at how racist they were, is because you were born in an era after other people had already done a lot of the hard work rooting out that shit. You know what your great-grandparents didn't.
Thanks Francis & CPM! I take it the world has determined that I do not need iron supplements (I dislike doing so anyhow!). We can let others experiment whether iron works for people with these symptoms. We received the warmth & love from your offer and it is way more important. Also to let you know that I was chain-watching the youtube stuff (Kurzgesagt especially) you linked - what a pleasant way to learn but addictive!
