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Precognitive dreams
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6/16/18 7:00 AM
I'm just curious what others' experience of this phenomenon might be. It seems to be happening to me more frequently.

Caveat: In a world of seven billion people having billions of dreams and billions of real-world interactions, coincidence is baked in. Since there's a distribution curve to all things, some subset of those coincidences will be absolutely incredible. Those who experience them will find it hard to believe that they weren't psi phenomena. 

And so it's always hard to say whether a dream is just a coincidence or is truly precognitive.

Earlier this week, I had a vivid dream in which I was in the bathroom and my wife walked in on me. I woke up and thought 'That was weird.'

A couple of hours later I went to the bathroom. The lights were still off in there and, just as in the dream, my wife suddenly walked in on me. She had flashed into the bathroom with her phone-flashlight and jolted/gasped in fright when she saw me.

So weird and apparently precognitive. Also utterly meaningless.  

But then I also had a dream in which a person was sitting in a room full of animals--like a doggie daycare place--and weeping for the mortality of humans and animals. It was a very vivid and emotional dream. Again, I took note of it upon waking.

Having gone downstairs after this, I checked email and read a message from a friend. Earlier that night, the husband of a friend of mine had died in a car crash. My friend owns a doggie daycare place. 

It all makes me wonder whether meditation makes precognitive dreams more likely, or whether they're just something that happens to everybody. I certainly remember having a few when I was a kid, but I never hear anybody else mention them. Maybe they're afraid to look weird? 

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6/16/18 7:53 AM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
Ever since I started meditating, I've had plenty of those dreams. Many with details that make it hard to believe it's just coincidence. So yep, it happens. 

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6/16/18 4:49 PM as a reply to Ben V..
Same. Never anything useful like Powerball numbers, unfortunately! ;)

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6/16/18 6:23 PM as a reply to Andromeda.
LOL! That would rock! Let us know if they show up! 

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6/17/18 1:30 AM as a reply to Andromeda.
In my teens I also had a number of very detailed precognative dreams, which consistently manifested about one month after the dream. In the most memorable one I was at school and a series of specific events unfolded just as they had in the dream and I got this very strong physical sensation which in hindsight was like piti. As it got stronger the events continued to occur until the dream memory was over and the sensations faded. Whenever I had another event like that, it would be preceded by the same physical sensation.

Years later I had one again and very deliberately wrote down details and a date 30 days from then, which passed with nothing of note happening. Either I lost the ability, "collapsed the waveform" by writing it down, or I never really had the ability and it was all just the mind seeing patterns in chaos. If I were a betting man i'd put my chips on option three.  emoticon

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6/17/18 2:04 AM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
I suspect that it is a form of 'recovered' memory syndrome, or deju vu.  So when the actual event happens an error occurs in the coding of the event that matches it to a past time, or to some past memories, as well as to the present.  This could occur with an erroneous strong felt sense of prior experience (similar to the strong felt sense of other presences, that aren't actually there, that can also occur in spiritual experience). Meditation loosens up the normal mind function, so that could be why these coding errors become more common.

I have no evidence of this, however.  It's just a competing hypothesis!

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6/17/18 7:11 AM as a reply to curious.
Occam's razor doesn't always work, but I prefer the simpler interpretation that at this point in history we just don't understand understand time and space very well and it's all a lot smearier and more porous than we think. 

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6/17/18 7:45 AM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
I had plenty of those in the past. Check out https://www.shambhala.com/dream-yoga-and-the-practice-of-natural-light-2208.html

Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche talks about it

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6/17/18 8:34 AM as a reply to curious.
That may be true in some cases. But all my pre-cornitive dream experiences occur a few hours apart. I dream something and it's the next day that it happens.  No strong felt sense here. Just an event happening that matches the dream. Some of these are not dreams but day-dreams, with one case happening during meditation.

E.g. -Taking my shower in morning, I suddenly have vivid mental images of big spiders crawling all over the walls around me. Then I go to work (I'm a therapist) and a client reports a dream in which he is locked in a room with big spiders crawling all over the walls.

- I call a new client to schedule an appointment. I never met her before. On the phone she has this tiny shy soft voice. I immediately imagine a very small petite brunette, for whatever reason. The night before meeting her I dream that I greet her in the waiting room, and she is not petite brunette. She has thick curly long blond hair attached in a knot, a piercing in nose. As she sit in my office she speaks in an accelerated tone, gesticulating and talking fast, hypomanic in behavior. Then she unties her hair knot and shakes her head with hairs flying loose. Very different from what I had imagined on the phone. Well, my meeting with her happened exactly as described in the dream when I met her, minus the nose peircing. 

-I dream that I go to a 90% angled hill with a river down there. In the river I see a drowned child. And I see an unsupervised baby half way down playing on a platform. I feel angry he is alone in such a dangerous place. Next day a client reports to me nearly the same dream: downward hill with a pool down there with drowned children. 

- While meditating in a group I sort of fall asleep and have dreamlike images of my friend sitting behind me, speaking on the phone with relatives in India trying to resolve a problem. I told her of this after the meditation session and she was stunned, admitting she had those very wandering thoughts while meditating.

I've learned to relate to these types of experiences with a grain of salt though, interesting experiences and nothing more. And to focus on the true goal of meditation nstead of those side-effects to phenomena that cannot be understood. 

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6/17/18 10:31 AM as a reply to Ben V..
Really interesting, Ben. 
In cases such as those, a coding error just isn't possible. 
Not that they don't exist in some cases.

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6/17/18 10:34 AM as a reply to Andromeda.
Andromeda:
Occam's razor doesn't always work, but I prefer the simpler interpretation that at this point in history we just don't understand understand time and space very well and it's all a lot smearier and more porous than we think. 

Yeah, and as we've known since Einstein, it's space-time--way more mutable than our normal subjective experience would indicate. 

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6/17/18 10:35 AM as a reply to Lars.
Really interesting. 

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6/17/18 11:26 AM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
Space-time, exactly. It's as if there is no true separation between anything at all! =D

Mine have been more like what Ben V describes--not dreams that occur while sleeping so much, but during hypnagogic states or during meditation when equanimity is strong. Or sometimes just randomly during the day. So not coding errors, either. 

I have had a couple experiences in the last year with a sense of something bad happening in the form of some confused sensory data (difficult to articulate, but intense and unpleasant) regarding what the something was. Of course, something bad is always going to happen because that's how life works! So I consoled myself. But there was a paradoxical sense of dread and horror that was relieved when the bad things actually happened within the next 12-24 hours. And even though it didn't help prevent the bad things, it did actually result in me being better prepared to deal with them. And at an emotional level I recovered more quickly, like I'd made a down payment with my feelings of dread. So subjectively there was some small benefit. 

Whatever the cause, they do present a great opportunity to practice equanimity and non-attachment.

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6/17/18 1:51 PM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
Yes, and actually I have had one experience that can't be explained as a coding error.

For weeks, as I worked in my office, I somehow from time to time imagined a large bang behind me.  Then one day, in the location I had imagined the bang, my computer power supply exploded.  It made the exact noise I had been imagining.  That was kind of weird.   

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6/17/18 3:59 PM as a reply to curious.
curious:
Yes, and actually I have had one experience that can't be explained as a coding error.

For weeks, as I worked in my office, I somehow from time to time imagined a large bang behind me.  Then one day, in the location I had imagined the bang, my computer power supply exploded.  It made the exact noise I had been imagining.  That was kind of weird.   
Wow. That's amazing. Even the coding errors are kind of dharmic, right? Kind of an insight into the constructed way we process reality. 

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6/17/18 5:23 PM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
Tashi Tharpa:

Even the coding errors are kind of dharmic, right? Kind of an insight into the constructed way we process reality. 
Yes, absolutely !

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7/5/18 9:30 AM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
I don't just have precognitive visions in dreams -- I have them while meditating. Here's a report from some years ago: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/silver-bracelets/

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7/6/18 3:02 PM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
I never get precognitive dreams,

what i do get is weird coincidences in daily life.

Like talking about someone and that someone is right around the corner.

Wanting some object and go to a random place i get that object.

etc

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7/6/18 7:05 PM as a reply to Tashi Tharpa.
Tashi Tharpa:
I'm just curious what others' experience of this phenomenon might be. It seems to be happening to me more frequently.
I would have them now and then, until I read a book "An Experient With Time" by JW Dunne who documented his experiences keeping a dream log and discovering many precognitive dreams. He wrote that most people would have the same experience so I tried keeping a dream log and found I had quite a few precognitive dreams, several a week. His trick for remembering your dreams: When you wake up the first thing is to ask yourself, "What was I thinking about and why?" It worked for me.


Caveat: In a world of seven billion people having billions of dreams and billions of real-world interactions, coincidence is baked in. Since there's a distribution curve to all things, some subset of those coincidences will be absolutely incredible. Those who experience them will find it hard to believe that they weren't psi phenomena. 

People who want to claim it can be explained by chance have to do real calculations with real numbers and prove it, otherwise they are just making up a story in order to fit the facts to their preconceived ideas. You should demand the same high level of proof from skeptics that they demand for claims of the paranormal. Unfortuantely my experience with the skeptical literature is that there is a lot of misleading information in it.

And so it's always hard to say whether a dream is just a coincidence or is truly precognitive.

Earlier this week, I had a vivid dream in which I was in the bathroom and my wife walked in on me. I woke up and thought 'That was weird.'

A couple of hours later I went to the bathroom. The lights were still off in there and, just as in the dream, my wife suddenly walked in on me. She had flashed into the bathroom with her phone-flashlight and jolted/gasped in fright when she saw me.

So weird and apparently precognitive. Also utterly meaningless.  

But then I also had a dream in which a person was sitting in a room full of animals--like a doggie daycare place--and weeping for the mortality of humans and animals. It was a very vivid and emotional dream. Again, I took note of it upon waking.

Having gone downstairs after this, I checked email and read a message from a friend. Earlier that night, the husband of a friend of mine had died in a car crash. My friend owns a doggie daycare place. 

It all makes me wonder whether meditation makes precognitive dreams more likely, or whether they're just something that happens to everybody. I certainly remember having a few when I was a kid, but I never hear anybody else mention them. Maybe they're afraid to look weird? 

I think meditation does make psychic perceptions more likely. When you quiet the mind you will be more aware of faint psychic perceptions that would otherwise be drowned out by mental noise. You might have intuitions while awake, or they might work their way into consciousness through dreams. The dream state is by itself more receptive to psychic perceptions. There are techniques for using the hypnogogic state (the state just before you fall asleep) to have psychic perceptions.

When I took classes in mediumship we would meditate at the beginning of class. I described my experiences in class on my web site: 
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/psi_experience

The first time I tried to do mediumship in class I was astonished with the results. I did exactly what the teacher said and it seemed to work. After a short period of meditation, I looked around the class (we were sitting with the chairs in a circle) and when I got to one particular person it seemed like I was looking at him through a zoom lens. He stood out from the other students in my field of vision. I tried looking around again and the same thing happened when I got to him. Then I closed my eyes and in my mind's eye there appeared a tall man in a uniform. When my turn came to describe my experiences, this person said that his grandfather had been tall and wore a uniform on his job. The teacher of the class encouraged me to try to get more information and I tried again and saw a scene of the sea shore. It turned out the grandfather had also lived near the water. I had never experienced anything like this before in my life. I was in shock for a couple of days afterwards.

As the classes continued I had many other experiences. Once I gave a reading to a woman in the class and I saw, in my mind's eye, her and another woman sitting drinking coffee. I described what I saw but she said there was more than one person who fit the description. Then I saw the other woman smoking a cigarette and there were very unusual little square framed pictures on the wall behind them. With that information the other student knew exactly who the spirit was.
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In another reading I brought through a family member of a woman in the class and I saw a church, a fishing pier, and a box truck. It turned out the spirit was a deacon at the church, they used to go fishing at the pier, and he drove one of those larger square shaped ambulances.
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Sometimes the mistakes are the most convincing part of a reading. Once during a reading I saw a swimming pool and I said, "You went swimming together". The person said, "no that's not right." I went on and continued the reading with other evidence but the pool came back. When I asked, "Why do I keep seeing the swimming pool?", the person said, "Well, she [the spirit] had a swimming pool in her back yard, but we never swam in it together". Skeptics will say mediums get their information from the person getting the reading but in this case it seemed to me that I was contradicting what the person was saying and sticking with what I was perceiving, and the information was eventually validated.

In one reading, I saw buildings in a foreign country I have never been to. I was able to find the same buildings on the internet in a photograph of the city.

I have also heard amazingly accurate information from fellow students when getting readings in the mediumship classes. One student was able to tell that when I was a child, my grandmother used to wrap snacks in a plastic bag and drop them out of her apartment window to me while I would stand on the walkway below. Another student saw a vision of a snowy field when bringing through my uncle. He had lived in a town called White Plains.

One time in class, a student brought through one of my spirit guides. Since we usually have not met our spirit guides in life, we usually don't recognize them from a description of what they looked like. However, spirits can identify themselves as guides because they are around us in during the day and can tell the medium things about us that a stranger wouldn't know. During this class, while giving me a reading, the student saw a flashlight with a propeller on top. I had no idea what this was meant. Later, as the class ended, some other people in the building were also leaving and they turned out the lights without realizing they had left us in the dark. I automatically reached into my pocket and pulled out my key chain on which I have a small flashlight. This flashlight is turned on by twisting the top. It is amazing that the spirit was not only able to tell the student about a flashlight that I completely forgotten about, but that they were also able remind me about it by arranging to have us left sitting in the dark.


Occassionally on internet forums on meditation and Buddhism I see people asking about Siddhis, my recommendation is if you are interested learning to devleop your psychic abilities, find a teacher who has developed theirs rather than trying to figure it out by yourself from the sutras. If you are looking for a teacher you might be able to find one at a Spiritualist church or through a New Age book store or gift shop. Group classes are really helpful because you can practice giving readings to classmates and get feedback from them as to your accuracy. Feedback is necessary for every type of learning including learning to use your psychic abilities, and it is also necessary to maintain skills. Reading people is better than for example trying to guess cards by yourself because with cards you already know the possible answers and your thoughts about them will be hard to distinguish from psychic perceptions. With people where you might perceive anything you will be less influenced by preconceived ideas. Sometimes people will say pursuing the siddhis is a distraction from one's meditation practice. If you pursue it through meditation, then it could be, but if you take a class that meets one evening a week, it is no more of a distraction than playing golf or tennis. 

RE: Precognitive dreams
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7/7/18 6:41 AM as a reply to Jim Smith.
Really interesting, and also challenging. Thanks!