Not true. 

Hi Pawel,

Right. In shunyata, there is neither relief nor suffering. No dualities at all.

true.  it is the "middle way". it is the absence of preference for either extreme...

i would guess :-)

Pawel, you often seem to equate being realized with having no human emotions, or more precisely with stoicism. Deeply consider whether you may be in error here. Ironically, you often cite brute force resistence to human emotions as the way to neutralize them, but that kind of force is dukkha (ie, reactivity).

Awakened beings are fully present with the full range of human emotions. In fact, that is a central characteristic of being awakened: perfect willingness to rest in whatever arises, including relief, tears, or x emotion. It is reactivity--forcing things to be otherwise than how they are--that needs to be investigated. An awakened being is vulnerable with his or her own emotions and can enter into them and those of others with full presence and embodiment, without reactivity or repression.

In short, you seem to have the wrong end of the stick. Look at the self-contradictions within your statements, per what I say above.

The "relief" I wrote of elsewhere was in comparison with third path striving. It is nonsensical to state that attaining fourth wouldn't, by comparison with pre-awakening, be "relief." Why the hell would we practice if not to be relieved? 

Lately you also seem defensive of your attainments. May want to look at that.

Peace. Gotta get back to editing and enjoying the hell out of my relief. 

Jenny

re: Paweł K (9/13/15 10:58 AM as a reply to Chris J Macie.)

'Relief' is such a fuzzy word in English that playing with in this way is bound to get tangled-up, confusing. Etymologically it stems from root 'rising-up' or 'rising out of', plus prefix 're-' again. The range of derivative meanings is broad – from 'what a relief!', to 'Relief (charitable) organization', to technically descriptive 'bas-relief'.

'What a relief!' is a kind of sukha experience. It can denote that temporary absence of craving (tanha) that some (e.g. Buddhadasa) consider a taste of Nibbana that everyone can have at moments, though fleeting. What you refer to maybe a sense of trying to dwell in, to overly relish such a state, i.e. panpanca-type fabrication engendering further craving and centering on, reinforcing a sense of self. -- as you say, a way the mind reacts. All uses of 'relief' may not involve that.

The meaning as in Buddhist GlobalRelief has to do with compassionate action, which is virtuous though mundane.

"It is for example impossible to 'do noticing' without this specific taste of relief."
This can't be referring to 'noting' practice, which is, ideally, pure mindfulness (sati).

Big fan of the wording here:



Very well put.