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RE: DhO Upgrade Thread Daniel M. Ingram 6/29/21 8:56 PM
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:40 PM
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DhO Upgrade Thread

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DhO patching to fix the following items is in progress.  Starting a new thread here so that our developer Manish can provide direct updates.

PS - the list of items was compiled from the other thread (https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22747215
If you have any additional items please check that thread first and then post on the Issues To Fix - that way we can keep this thread focused to direct updates from the developers and any questions for them about progress on the current list of items.


The goal is to fix all of the below, Manish will update here if some may not be fixable:

1) Users do not always stay logged in

2) Messaging and Logo Portlet not downloaded/working

3) Email notifications of thread posts not being sent

4) Some Categories say they are temporarily unavailable

5) Theme needs to be changed back to tan, not blue.

6) Posts not always publish correctly

7) Option to toggle between tree view (current) and flat chronological view (previously). If toggle not possible, then revert to previous format (otherwise replies to older posts may not be seen)

8) Bring back Preview button in editor.

9) Bring back Save as Draft button in editor. This will enable people to avoid losing the whole post if the publish fails. Currently you can only save a draft after you've already published an initial version!

10) Investigation into post performance (and overall performance) - posts usually take many many seconds to publish, sometimes up to a minute (which might be a cause of lost posts?)

11) You used to be able to see the creator of a thread in the Recent Posts lists, which was helpful, while now it just shows the author of the last reply.

12) Editor no longer has an emojis button, nor does it have font and font size options.

13) Could we include "partial quote" option (if such exists)

14) A way to mark all threads as read   
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:21 PM
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I edited JW's post in html to increase the font sizes.

- ​​​​​​​Chris
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:35 PM
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JW, I would argue for a priority designation on each change. The ones I mentioned in the other thread are the most important for moderation purposes:

1. Restore the messaging function - this will re-open the channel of communication between members and the moderators

2. Eliminate or dramatically increase the message posting limits for each topic

​​​​​​​3. Restore the choice between flat, tree, and combined views of each topic


10) Investigation into post performance (and overall performance) - posts usually take many many seconds to publish, sometimes up to a minute (which might be a cause of lost posts?)

The length of time it takes to post messages: this is likely not a programming/code issue but a database issue. I have asked that it be fixed in the past and Simon Ekstrand was always able to reindex, which fixed the problem for some time.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:32 PM
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5) Theme needs to be changed back to tan, not blue.

​​​​The background color is a message board configuration setting called "Look & Feel". I changed it from stark white to light blue many months ago so that there would be some contrast on the message board pages. I just reset the background color to something that looks more like tan. There are only so many choices.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:38 PM
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9) Bring back Save as Draft button in editor.

This has already been done - try it out and see for yourself. There now three choices available when posting;

- Publish
- Save as Draft
​​​​​​​- Cancel
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:37 PM
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Hey Chris, yes those three items are the highest priority, along with post performance.  Manish is aware of that, and I believe he is currently working on #3 but I'm not totally sure.

It would make sense that the performance is database related. If reindexing fixed it, it definitely is on the DB side.  We might look into setting up an automatic rebuild index task to help with that issue. 
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 2:47 PM
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 I have a suggestion:

Since there are a lot of issues, and it can take quite a while to fix them, I think it would be better to apply the fixes in a few iterations. I don't know how long it takes each time for the server to stop and start, but I guess it should not be long. And if we have fixes for some of the main issues currently or in the near future, why not apply them before working on the rest of the issues? I think users will appreciate it. Thanks.
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(I should apologize to the community here, one reason that these issues are not fixed yet, is because I volunteered to fix them, and it was going well for a few days, but then my emotional situation and my problem with working became worse and worse, and I couldn't continue to work. I told Daniel that I'll work on them, but I failed, so Daniel had to create that thread about posting issues on UpWork. Sorry about that.) 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 3:02 PM
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Good idea Siavash.  Don't feel bad, I think this is all just part of what happens when we have a website that is volunteer based. I'm thankful that you put in some time to try to help fix this stuff and please stay tuned here in case Manish has some questions, you might have some insight based on the work you did.

By the way, I don't know how Daniel came into contact with Manish, but I don't think it was through UpWork. I initially signed on to help with compiling a list of items and posting that to UpWork, but to my knowledge that listing was never posted.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 4:14 PM
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Siavash, you are far too hard on yourself. It's okay! You're okay! Everything is basically okay!

Yours,

- Chris
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/9/21 4:33 PM
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Thanks Chris.
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manish yadav, modified 2 Years ago at 6/16/21 3:45 PM
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Hi Waldo,

Liferay 2 days back released Liferay 7.4 GA2 version. After many failed attempts ,finally I have  upgraded DHO to Literary 7.4 version and seems its working fine with Liferay 7.4 GA2

URL : https://vmi240110.contaboserver.net/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/recent-posts

UserName/Password : dho/dho$3210

You may verify the message board  portlet whether it's similar to the old version or they have upgraded and have some fix of issues.


If its working fine we may take as base and will start fixing issues in Liferay 7.4 GA2

 As server setup is ready and dho running on latest Liferay 7.4 so you may share Theme/design requirement . Liferay theme developer is available and he can start working parallely on theme development
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Regards,
Manish Yadav
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/16/21 6:21 PM
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 Hi Manish,

I did a quick test on your Liferay 7.4 installation.
I didn't see any noticeable difference on viewing the posts and threads.

I added a few comments, this was the behavior for all of them:
First I got a timeout error, then there was this error:
"Error:There was an unexpected error. Please refresh the current page.", and after some seconds passed, it didn't add the comment, so I canceled editing, and the new comment was not added. But after refreshing the page, I saw that the comment is added at the end, and some seconds later I got the success popup for adding the comment. This is a problematic behavior for this function, but it can be because of different causes I guess.

The other issue I noticed was that the overflow button on the right corner of each post doesn't work. The button with 3 dots icon that opens "Reply" and "Reply with Quote" menu items. It doesn't display the menu.

Some profile images are not displayed correctly, when opening the profile image itself, it gets "The requested resource could not be found" error. I think the backup that you have, should include the images for these accounts.

Thanks.​​​​​​​ 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/16/21 8:54 PM
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Hey Siavash - FYI I dont think Manish has gotten into fixing issues yet, first thing was to upgrade to Liferay 7.4 (which is probably good for other reasons), and then use that as the base which we will fix issues on.  We have a list of prioritized items (above) and I believe Messaging is already fixed but Manish will be working on those items first.  
Some of the items you listed above I think fall under 'Performance', which is one of the prioritized items. I have a feeling it may be one of the tougher ones though, so any thoughts you have on it appreciated.  I think the non posting/duplicate posting might be related to performance as well. 
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/17/21 1:10 AM
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 Hi JW,

The issues that I posted above, do not exist in the current stable version that we have on Liferay 7.3. That means they are either because of Liferay 7.4 itself, or because of the process of porting DhO on Liferay 7.4. They are related to functionality, not performance : ) .
Though it's up to you and Manish to decide what to do. I just did a test and reported it back, feel free to ignore all of it. emoticon

Cheers.  
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/18/21 1:21 PM
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Hey Siavash,  I have noticed the first issue (posts appearing to not post, but then appearing successfully after refreshing the page, sometimes being posted twice) on the current 7.3 version.  At least I think it's the same issue.

Re: missing profile pics, my guess is this is due to the DB copy that was made to install 7.4...

It's not up to me to decide what to do is it?? I hope not emoticon
​​​​​​​All I did was make a list based on all items from the other thread.

By the way thanks for all your help. If you are noticing some push back its because I just want to keep this thread uncluttered from additional items for now, let's let Manish have a shot at fixing the initial priority items first and then we can see where we are at emoticon ​​​​​​​
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Pepe ·, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:37 AM
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Hey, does Liferay 7.3 / 7.4 allow sticky threads? If so, who has authorization to make a thread sticky up in Recent Posts? 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:41 PM
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Quick update from Manish:

"I have found a solution for the 2 issues mentioned below ,tomorrow I'll update the fix in production.

1) Not staying logged in
2) Some forum topics unavailable

  Currently I'm on vacation so the remaining issues I'll work on next week. "

Regarding messaging portal:

​​​​​​​Private message portlet not yet deployed in production. Earlier it was working in Liferay 6 but after upgrading to Liferay 7 I'm not sure if the private message portlet also upgraded or not.It's written and upgraded by another developer.
Out of functionality (forms, wiki webcontent) will automatically upgrade with the liferay upgrade process but custom portlets manually need to upgrade its kind of rewrite of some part of code as per new version. Private message portlet is a custom portlet so code of custom portlet manually needs to be upgraded .
I have received code of the portlet but I have to check what changes required to run the portlet into the new version. I'll fix it soon. Maybe next weekend I'll be able to deploy into production.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:33 PM
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Hey Siavash, I just checked and did not see the issue with the 3 dots that you mentioned. Let's circle back after Manish comes back and see if that is still an issue.  The other ones i will hold off on adding to the list since i think they may be duplicates (not 100% sure)
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:35 PM
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Hey Pepe, just added your comment to the other thread, trying to keep this one concise and just have updates on progress, as our dev was getting confused about which issues to work on with all the comments.

​​​​​​​https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22904217
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:38 PM
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 Great, thanks.

Now that Manish wants to apply a fix on the production, I think it would be great to apply the fix for "More Messages" button and posts limitation on each thread too. I've sent him a fix for that issue, that I've tested and it removes that button, but I guess he has not seen the email.

Thanks.
 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 3:43 PM
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Oh ok great, what is your email?  I can add you into the other thread.
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 5:34 PM
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Hi JW,
Thanks for your efforts.

I am not sure that it would be helpful to have me in your email list with Daniel and Manish, since I don't want to bother them, and if I have anything helpful to say, I think it's better to have it here in this public space, as Chris said before.
I just wanted to remind that we have a fix for a main issue, and why not apply it.
But anyway, this is my email:

(Edited to remove the email address)
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 5:24 PM
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Ok I have copied it down, you can delete now...
​​​​​​​Thanks

(i won't add you to the thread at your request, but do have you email in case we need to add it later. I think Manish is checking this thread?

​​​​​​​FYI All that is in the other email thread is me saying 'hey do you have an update' once a week, and then posting it here. Lol)
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/23/21 5:37 PM
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Thanks.

Hey, you've accepted a difficult job!

I am happy to help if I can, but at the moment I don't see any help that I could provide.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/25/21 7:35 AM
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Can we please get an update on the progress toward the important fixes that have been promised here? My patience is wearing thin, especially in regard to these issues:

1. Allowable length of topics - expand it and let us communicate without having to click "More Messages" over and over and over
2. The original (pre-LifeRay 7.3) message board view selections restored

Tick, tick, tick...
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 2:51 PM
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Hey Chris,
Sorry just saw this.  I just reached out to Manish with your question, I worded it a bit differently though.

Thanks,
JW
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 3:01 PM
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So you were more severe?  emoticon

But seriously, I really am losing patience. It's frustrating not to have efficient tools by which to effectively manage the message boards. This is like handing a carpenter a stone axe. I think the general user community here would agree. Months go by with no action. 

There, I feel better after venting a little more.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 3:19 PM
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Could someone PLEASE do something about the text editing options if it's possible? I'm exhausted! I can't even begin to list all the issues with it. Surely there must be programmers who write regular texts of some length too and can see the issues. This interface is impenetrable with regard to format. I can make it work, but it's a huge waste of time and energy and I would quite frankly rather use those resources for my practice. 
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 3:21 PM
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And posting even brief posts take AGES, for crying out loud. If I want triggering practice for my impatience I'm perfectly capable of finding opportunities on my own. 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 4:14 PM
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I'll just say this- as a developer having been on the other side of this interaction, I think certain styles of communication are less likely to lead to prompt responses or any response at all.  As frustrating as it is (and I imagine it's much more frustrating for a moderator than it is for a casual user), communicating your frustration and impatience to the person working on it, ("do it faster") is almost certainly not going to make them work any faster. 
Unless it is done very carefully, it's likely going to just upset them and make them not want to respond or engage at all (have you noticed that Manish has not responded at all to this thread?).

Just some friendly advice, feel free to take it or leave it.  I know sometimes people need to vent.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 4:29 PM
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JW --

I, too, have been on both sides of this type of interaction. I know DhO is a volunteer effort, and as a volunteer moderator putting in a lot of time without compensation to keep things here on the up and up, I don't feel my dedication to DhO is being met equally from the other side. I think you should feel free to communicate the unvarnished truth to the developer(s). A sensitivity to the issues mods and users have raised over lo these many months is not visible from here.


... communicating your frustration and impatience to the person working on it, ("do it faster") is almost certainly not going to make them work any faster.

What will, do you think? I'm being serious here. Are the developer(s) aware of our mounting impatience? Are they being paid, or is their work volunteer as well? Daniel mentioned paying someone to do this work. Is that the case? Is Daniel paying any attention to the process?
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 4:36 PM
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Who is 'the other side' ... are you referring to Manish, Daniel, myself, or who exactly?  I think your expectations are totally reasonable, and I think many here appreciate the time you put into this site, myself included.  But the fact is that neither Daniel or Manish are checking this thread, they probably are not even reading your messages. I respect your idealism in wanting to keep everything totally open source, but having me act as the translator and only intermediary is definitely not open source.  So all that is to say, have you tried reaching out to Daniel directly?  In my view, that really seems like the best way to address your concerns here.  
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 11:09 AM
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Chris Marti What will, do you think? I'm being serious here. Are the developer(s) aware of our mounting impatience? Are they being paid, or is their work volunteer as well? Daniel mentioned paying someone to do this work. Is that the case? Is Daniel paying any attention to the process?
 I think your best bet is to reach out to Daniel directly and see what can be done to speed up this process. You might be able to convey the seriousness of the situation in a way that I can’t. Regarding your questions, I sort of got looped into this interaction without full knowledge of what's going on, mostly because no one else was responding to Daniel’s request for help in compiling a list of issues, so I don't know the answers to all of those questions, but I believe that Manish is getting paid, though much less than what was originally quoted.  Again, questions that Daniel would probably have the answers to.I'm happy to reach out to him as well and see if I can get some answers.  I don't think he is paying much attention to this thread. The other email thread is not very active outside of when I press for updates.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 4:56 PM
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But the fact is that neither Daniel or Manish are checking this thread, they probably are not even reading your messages.

I know. 

The "other side" phraseology was introduced by you and you were clearly referring to developers when you used those words. That's who I'm referring to. You're the volunteer agent in the middle, an unfortunate place to be, but the coordinating should go through you. I really do appreciate the difficult position you're in.

I'll try to be patient some more.

Thanks for your time, and for bearing the brunt of the impatience I'm feeling over this today.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:00 PM
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Thankfully I don't really care, though since you brought it up I think a little more patience would be appreciated.  Seriously though, get in touch with Daniel if you can, that would probably help. I will send him a message too and see if he can at least check out what's going on here in this thread.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:06 PM
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"You're the volunteer agent in the middle, an unfortunate place to be, but the coordinating should go through you."


This is what I'm not sure I agree with. Again, I respect the intention for wanting everything to be out in the open. But first of all, it's not all out in the open if I'm the middle man, is it?  Secondly, I see no reason, from a moral or pragmatic perspective, why the moderators of a website cannot speak directly with the founder of said website about issues that are directly affecting them.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:03 PM
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JW, I hope you don't mind that I removed your duplicate message. My impatience is not with you. I want to make that clear. 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:05 PM
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I did not notice, and thank you for making that clear.  
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:07 PM
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Secondly, I see no reason, from a moral or pragmatic perspective, why the moderators of a website cannot speak directly with the founder of said website about issues that are directly affecting them.

I've tried taking that path before. It hasn't worked. You've no doubt encountered the same.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:12 PM
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Hah, well that's good to know I guess.  I did reach out to Manish again earlier today, I think he was on vacation as of last week.  I'll send another message to Daniel and see what else can be done to speed things up.  
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:14 PM
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Personally, I mistook this thread for the one that was created for the purpose of letting tech people know what changes need to be made. Sorry. Honestly, I'm too exhausted to move this to that thread now after all struggling with the interface. Maybe that's for the best anyway since my frustration might only make things worse. Feel free to ignore it, or whatever you think is best. 
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:20 PM
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And of course, my frustration is not with you either! Actually, it's not with any person. It's with the interplay between this interface and my limited executive functioning. That's a match made in hell. 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:39 PM
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I originally started this as a new thread in the hope that our devs and Daniel would provide updates here, clearly that has not happened, so it doesn't really matter emoticon

And, I get it!

Maybe one day we can get our own real in-house dev team.  If I wasn't already spending 8 hours a day fixing broken code I would sign up. But I know we have many talented developers here. Personally though, I think we should just stick with the current course for now, Manish is doing a great job and I know he's working as fast as he can.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 5:41 PM
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That sounds reassuring. Thankyou, I needed that. 
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Daniel M Ingram, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 8:56 PM
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Ok, posting a job post on UpWork this evening with the following issues to be fixed:

1) Users do not always stay logged in
2) Messaging and Logo Portlet not downloaded/working
3) Email notifications of thread posts not being sent
4) Some Categories say they are temporarily unavailable
5) Theme needs to be changed back to tan, not blue.
6) Posts not always publish correctly
7) Option to toggle between tree view (current) and flat chronological view (previously). If toggle not possible, then revert to previous format (otherwise replies to older posts may not be seen)
8) Bring back Preview button in editor.
9) Bring back Save as Draft button in editor. This will enable people to avoid losing the whole post if the publish fails. Currently you can only save a draft after you've already published an initial version!
10) Investigation into post performance (and overall performance) - posts usually take many many seconds to publish, sometimes up to a minute (which might be a cause of lost posts?)
11) You used to be able to see the creator of a thread in the Recent Posts lists, which was helpful, while now it just shows the author of the last reply.
12) Editor no longer has an emojis button, nor does it have font and font size options.
13) Could we include "partial quote" option (if such exists)
14) A way to mark all threads as read   

Apologies for how long this has taken.

Daniel
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Daniel M Ingram, modified 2 Years ago at 6/29/21 9:04 PM
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Ok, the Upwork job is posted. 
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 6:23 AM
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Thank you!
George S, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 8:37 AM
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9 is solved by clicking on Advanced Reply (which also shows you how quotes are formatted, so solves 8)

13 already exists (the quote button). It's up to users not to hit Reply With Quote on long posts, unless that's what they really want to do!

Thank you.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 11:13 AM
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Hey Siavash, you're right, you just came up with some hourly estimates and then we extrapolated the price from there. Sorry, was not trying to call you out on this or anything like that, I was just not being specific enough.  I have removed your name from that previous post.  I agree that we don't need to bring specifics about money into this thread.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 11:41 AM
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Hey Daniel, so is Manish still working on this concurrently? Last I heard he had already fixed some of the items and was going to update them into production, which was last week, have not heard back from him since.
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 6:31 PM
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 Hi,

Manish has deployed an update on the site, and the "More Messages" problem has been fixed now.
(Originally I had suggested to set the post threshold number to 200 instead of its default 50, and it seems that Manish has applied that one, meaning that if a thread has more than 200 posts, it would get the more messages button once for each 200 posts. My mistake. Although it can be changed later to a higher number like 1000.)

Thanks to Manish for the update.

I received an email from Manish some minutes ago saying:

Dear Siavash,

Apologies ,From last week I was traveling and not able to respond to your email. As your request i have added below property ,Kindly verify and let me know in case you are still facing issues.

Also kindly share other issues list ,I'll try to fix.

So I sent him the list of the important issues, while emphasizing that the most important issue for now is the messaging functionality.

So, what is best to do, I think is up to Daniel, to make a decision, likely with the help of Chris, Manish and JW.

Thanks. 
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 6/30/21 9:56 PM
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Received the following update from Manish - broken categories are now working:
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Apologies,I was traveling from last week and didn't get time to respond 

Kindly share with me a list of other issues except Private Messaging portlet and tree view of the message board  as I'll be able to start working by next week as they are complex and require more time to fix .


For timeline ,Approx I'll be able to fix all issues before the end of July month.


Below are the issues I have fixed and deployed in production.Kindly verify and let me know in case you are still facing any issues.

a) Not staying logged in=> Now the user will be logged in till the browser closes.

b) Broken categories are working now

1) Terminology : https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/category/2895194
2) The DhO Itself :  https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/category/11921
3) Theoreticians and Traditionalists (T&T) :  https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/category/127451
4) https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/category/72617


c) Received issue from Siavash"the messaging functionality related to messaging portlet", and second "the limit of post numbers in each thread that creates the More Messages button and forces people to create new threads for their practice logs".
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Simon Ekstrand, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:18 AM
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Test - please ignore.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:18 AM
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Emails seem to be working now.
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Simon Ekstrand, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:26 AM
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Test2.
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Simon Ekstrand, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:26 AM
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Test3
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:26 AM
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Yes. I tested and I got a notification email too.
​​​​​​​Thanks to Manish and/or Simon for the fix.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 11:35 AM
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Performance is fixed for now, thanks Simon!
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 7/1/21 3:41 PM
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Updated item tracker:

​​​​​​​Note that the Messaging portlet was a custom feature which will need to be updated to work on 7.4, which might take some time.
(I have already provided Manish the info he requested for #11)
#6 may have been fixed as part of the fix for #10.

Please let me know here if anyone hits #6!!

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Ni Nurta, modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 1:57 AM
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Posts not registering usually happen when going to advanced edit and writing post for a longer while. Like if I open edit and go elsewhere then later come and finish post it will take very long to post and often not post at all. I am also usually using source button to see proper bb code instead of using broken wysiwyg editor. This also means it should not be related to broken bb code.

BTW. Wouldn't it be possible to make source editor default? Or at least make it available in quick edit without needing to go to advanced edit?

ps. Not sure if this is related/relevant but my browser is Cent Browser (it is based on Chromium and have some changes related to text rendering needed for MacType to work correctly). Browser id: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/86.0.4240.198 Safari/537.36
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 6:23 AM
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Many, many thanks to those working on and installing DhO fixes and updates!
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 11:46 AM
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NN, has this happened to you since yesterday? I'll try to run through the steps you mentioned, haven't had any issues with posts not posting so far.

BTW. Wouldn't it be possible to make source editor default? Or at least make it available in quick edit without needing to go to advanced edit?
That might be possible, but it would almost certainly be a customization, which would take a lot of time to implement, and it would also be applied to everyone, and I think most users would prefer not to have the source editor as the default editor.
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Siavash ', modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 12:28 PM
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 Hi JW and Ni Nurta,

I checked Liferay's documents about customizing the editor and bringing back font and emoji selector to it. It seems to be possible but it's not easy or simple. It seems that it can't be done at the level of configuration, and it needs code level development. A separate module needs to be developed and installed for it.
I'll be working on it in the next week to do that customization, if I have enough energy and motivation. We'll see.
 
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 3:40 PM
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Wow, I just had a post published immediately, within less than a second! Someone did something very right. Awesome! Many thanks!
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Pepe ·, modified 2 Years ago at 7/2/21 5:26 PM
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Yeah! It's working fast and I can just go right to the last post from the start. Thank you all !!
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Chris Marti, modified 2 Years ago at 10/5/21 1:46 PM
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There have been no updates about the DhO upgrades and fixes lately. What's up with that? Is anything happening, or have we once again been relegated to the dustbin/trashheap of message board technology?

JW, are you still involved? If not, who can I address this to?
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 10/5/21 3:01 PM
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Hey Chris,
I unfortunately have not been involved in this recently.

As I see it there are several serious flaws remaining in this current system.

My suggestion to Daniel, and I did not hear back from him, was that we should get together the crew of developers who have already volunteered for this and figure out a standardized build/development process which would facilitate current site maintenance --

This would include fixing of current defects, or any sort of intermittent issues that affect usability such as performance due to bloated indexes, (which there is only one person (Simon) who has the access to fix), and addressing other such issues like bots and spam posting, etc.

IMHO we would all benefit in a more standardized approach to the site management.

Otherwise, it will be a constant and continual process of cleaning up of the trash, so to speak.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_knowledge​​​​​​​

​​​​​​​( BTW - My understanding based on the last communication from Manish was that the Messaging porlet was a custom module developed for the older version of Liferay (built way back 10+ years ago), for which the source code was lost, meaning that it will likely be a high level of effort to rebuild that portlet for this version. )

I feel that I have gone as far as I can go to help with this, but please let me know if you think there is anything else that I could do to be helpful.

JW
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Chris Marti, modified 2 Years ago at 10/5/21 3:18 PM
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JW, I don't think the DhO situation will change much no matter what we do. Thanks for your earlier help, which did help get us some measurable improvements. I long ago realized this place isn't a priority for the one person that can make shit happen here, so we're perpetually stuck in a "just good enough" situation.
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 2 Years ago at 10/5/21 3:59 PM
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In that case moving to the Awake Network could be a good idea but I just read your post there that you prefer it to be less active, with just your oldest dharma friends  emoticon Should I stay out of it? emoticon 
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Chris Marti, modified 2 Years ago at 10/5/21 8:08 PM
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... you prefer it to be less active, with just your oldest dharma friends  emoticon Should I stay out of it? emoticon 

Yep, stay out of AwakeNetwork. If you do show up on AN, Papa, I'll ban your sorry ass emoticon
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 3/8/22 2:21 PM
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I was inspired to write this today for some reason but here is what I would recommend, just putitng it out there for whoever might be reading:

1. Create private repository storing the current DhO config.  By this I mean only the customizations (anything we have changed from the standard Liferay install)
2. Create the build script and store it in git so that it can be run automatically at any time.  What I mean by this is Maven or Ant script which will result in a deployable file that can be generated by a single click
3. Invite all relevant individuals to that git branch, namely:
  - Manish (web dev guy)
  - Simon (the database guy)
  - Daniel
  - Anyone else i don't know about
4. Any sort of "tribal" knowledge write down and store it in the build 
  - For example, what to do if posts start clogging (re-index the database)


If we need to keep some stuff secret like the database connection info, leave that out of the build and have that filled in manually by Daniel or whoever holds those keys.

This is along the lines of what I would consider a normal build process for a web application. It ensures that if something breaks, you are better able to fix it, and it also makes it much much easier to do things like upgrades.  

The main reason that the last upgrade failed, as far as I can tell, is that we were not keeping track of our customizations (for example, the custom messaging portlet), and we just blindly did a full upgrade and lost all of those customizations.  Having a build process set up like this would have probably helped with that.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 6:38 AM
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The main reason that the last upgrade failed, as far as I can tell, is that we were not keeping track of our customizations (for example, the custom messaging portlet), and we just blindly did a full upgrade and lost all of those customizations.  Having a build process set up like this would have probably helped with that.

​​​​​​​There is no "we" in all this. That's the real problem, IMHO. This is a leadership/motivation dilemma and so like most efforts it's about people, not technology. There is an owner who neglects the place and a very small band of disparate volunteers who don't want to take the reigns and run with it. So DhO languishes. That's why you say things in this way:
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... just putitng it out there for whoever might be reading:

This is a classic volunteer organization scenario - everyone sort of has an idea of what needs to be done and yet no one wants to pick one and manage it to fruition (pun intended). Everyone has other jobs or interesting pursuits that are more important to them and there is no pain in ignoring DhO. The software platform DhO is on is way too complex for the purpose it's being used for here, and the cost of switching to a more appropriate platform is prohibitive given all the above. So... there's a steep hill to climb and no one to climb it.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 10:28 AM
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This is a classic volunteer organization scenario - everyone sort of has an idea of what needs to be done and yet no one wants to pick one and manage it to fruition (pun intended). Everyone has other jobs or interesting pursuits that are more important to them and there is no pain in ignoring DhO. The software platform DhO is on is way too complex for the purpose it's being used for here, and the cost of switching to a more appropriate platform is prohibitive given all the above. So... there's a steep hill to climb and no one to climb it.
I see this differently.  It's not that none of the volunteers want to take responsibility here.  Personally speaking, I have reached out to Daniel directly, I've said it on here and I'll say it again, I would be happy to dedicate a few hours a week to setting up this build and once that's done, putting in fixes and things like that, and I'm sure that other people like Manish would be happy to make a similar commitment, Simon I think has hang-ups related to the overall build and maintenance process as well, though he also expressed frustration with Liferay itself, which again though, a solid build process would probably help mitigate some of those issues, so that would maybe be a reason for him to want to be more involved in maintenance and fixes.  I've also seen several other web developers volunteer on here, but nobody wants to be a part of a project where there is no organization and no clear path towards being a successful project.  

The problem is that (this is where we agree) the willingness to take responsibility does not translate into anything because the site's founder and de juro webmaster has his priorities elsewhere, namely the EPRC (and I assume other projects, like the new NFT project?), and no one can do any sort of web updates even if they wanted to because he's the one with the keys.

Maybe Manish has access to the code base and could help coordinate something like the above steps and grant the appropriate people the appropriate access that they need?  I really don't know. In my opinion though it should be on Daniel to say "Okay, we've got the team together, let's do this."  Without the go ahead and support from Daniel any effort is just wasted, that's the way I see it at least.
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 1:26 PM
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One solution could be a mutiny and overthrow Daniel (like throw him off the ship into the shallow shark waters)! 
We can do this tonight!!! emoticon 

Another solution could be we pay him good money to sell us this ship and then we establish some sort of democracy!  I can run the bar in the Bar(do)!
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 2:36 PM
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JW --

I see this differently.  It's not that none of the volunteers want to take responsibility here.  Personally speaking, I have reached out to Daniel directly, I've said it on here and I'll say it again, I would be happy to dedicate a few hours a week to setting up this build and once that's done, putting in fixes and things like that, and I'm sure that other people like Manish would be happy to make a similar commitment, Simon I think has hang-ups related to the overall build and maintenance process as well, though he also expressed frustration with Liferay itself, which again though, a solid build process would probably help mitigate some of those issues, so that would maybe be a reason for him to want to be more involved in maintenance and fixes.  I've also seen several other web developers volunteer on here, but nobody wants to be a part of a project where there is no organization and no clear path towards being a successful project. 

This is pretty much what I said earlier. We can debate the difference between "willingness" and "has the authority" at some other time. The root cause remains the same - the person in charge.
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 3:09 PM
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"overthrow Daniel"

Hahaha, but we can't! emoticon

Of course that's not what anyone wants anyway, even though the idea would be that by establishing a development team it would allow Dan to not have to dedicate time to DhO maintenance (while still retaining full control of the DhO), so he can prioritize other projects without this one having to suffer...
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 3:10 PM
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Ok sure, maybe i misunderstood - "willingness", "authority", or "ability", same difference.
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manish yadav, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 3:37 PM
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Hi,

Could you please share list of issues which you think are blocked and needs to fix.
I'll try to fix in comming or next weekend.

​​​​​​​Regards,
Manish Yadav
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J W, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 4:08 PM
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Hey Manish,

It feels to me like the whole process is just disjointed and it's not clear if some issue needs to be fixed, who needs to be made aware of the issue in order to get it fixed. Are you that person?  If so, do you feel your job would be made easier with more helping hands and more of a structured process when it comes to site maintenance?  Would you be open to accepting such help?

What are your thoughts on setting up a development pipeline like what I mentioned above?  Do you feel that something like that would help facilitate fixes and upgrades going forward?  Would it also help to restore to previous working state should something bad happen as a result of a deployment or otherwise?  

Are we currently maintaining the list of customizations that we have made on top of the out of box Liferay installation?  If so how are we maintaining that?  

What is our disaster recovery plan should something happen to the database, are we performing regular backups?

To answer your question, I think the below are some of the open items that were never fixed, but I think there are additional items as well:

7) Option to toggle between tree view (current) and flat chronological view (previously). If toggle not possible, then revert to previous format (otherwise replies to older posts may not be seen)
8) Bring back Preview button in editor.
9) Bring back Save as Draft button in editor. This will enable people to avoid losing the whole post if the publish fails. Currently you can only save a draft after you've already published an initial version!
11) You used to be able to see the creator of a thread in the Recent Posts lists, which was helpful, while now it just shows the author of the last reply.
13) Could we include "partial quote" option (if such exists)
14) A way to mark all threads as read   


Let me know how I can help, thank you!
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Ni Nurta, modified 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 4:33 PM
Created 2 Years ago at 3/9/22 4:33 PM

RE: DhO Upgrade Thread

Posts: 1070 Join Date: 2/22/20 Recent Posts
During last upgrade cycle someone mentioned that the tree view option was removed due to some 'optimizations' in Liferay and it will not be possible to bring it back.

The quick workaround would be to remove option to reply to posts and only leave option to reply to thread. Then maybe button to quote someone could be made in such way that quoted text would land at the bottom of the page in field to reply to the whole thread.
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Chris M, modified 2 Years ago at 3/10/22 6:44 AM
Created 2 Years ago at 3/10/22 6:42 AM

RE: DhO Upgrade Thread

Posts: 5104 Join Date: 1/26/13 Recent Posts
Manish, from a moderator perspective the two most critical updates that need to be made are:

1. Enable the private messaging function so that users can contact moderators and each other outside the message board system
2. Enable the various view options for the message boards (flat, tree, combination)


Thanks for any help you can provide.

CMarti
DhO Moderator
George S, modified 2 Years ago at 3/10/22 9:34 PM
Created 2 Years ago at 3/10/22 9:34 PM

RE: DhO Upgrade Thread

Posts: 2722 Join Date: 2/26/19 Recent Posts
If possible, please also enable to have more than 1 year of history returned when you click on a user's Recent Posts. I learned so much from reading the older threads and it seems a shame that these are no longer easily findable, especially given how much work posters have put in over the years.
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Jim Smith, modified 1 Year ago at 3/9/23 8:02 AM
Created 1 Year ago at 3/9/23 8:02 AM

RE: DhO Upgrade Thread

Posts: 1633 Join Date: 1/17/15 Recent Posts
If anyone is interested, I found out how to configure notifications:

click on your avatar in the upper right of a forum page
choose notifications
on the notifications page, move mouse into list of notifications and a "notifications" tab appears at the top
click the three dots next to the tab and choose "configuration"

change settings and click save

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