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12/9/14 5:31 PM
 David Chapman is a Vajrayana practitioner who writes about buddist tantra as well as what he refers to as concensus buddhism. Here is his website. Highly reccomended. :     http://meaningness.wordpress.com/category/buddhism/reinventing-buddhist-tantra/

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12/9/14 6:04 PM as a reply to Bill F..
Unfortunately, “niceness” is incompatible with most of Buddhism. That meant that most of Buddhism was collateral damage when the establishment suppressed any possible manifestations of Trungpa-like-ness.


http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/the-crumbling-buddhist-consensus-overview/

Word. I find that many self-defined Buddhists practice this "niceness" form of Buddhism, which is incompatible with practice. Niceness affirms everyone, whereas Buddhism deconstructs everyone. Hence why niceness and practice are incompatible.

I like this quote:



http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/31.7-Sexuality-piya.pdf

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I'm just leaving this link here (Theravadin Tantra): http://oeith.co.uk/2014/06/09/my-jungian-shadow-exposed-by-a-shamanistic-theravadan-monk/

Trungpa himself said that Theravadin practitioners often get into Vajrayana territory in Southeast Asia. Once again confirming that yanas are not sects.

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12/9/14 6:15 PM as a reply to J J.
Yes, my own teacher Reggie Ray (who was a student of Trungpa and sees his mission as continuing Trungpa's lineage) uses the yana designations to refer to different ways that practice unfolds over time rather than as a value description of the different sects. I did find some interesting stuff on theravadan tantra while researching in the past, but it seemed sparse. If you find more Theravadan tantra info feel free to add.

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12/9/14 6:22 PM as a reply to Bill F..
I find it all very confusing. Dont know what it all boils down to. Why call something tantric that has nothing to do with tantra and what not. Very confused I am. Dont understand the point of the posts. He writes but says little in a convoluted way.

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12/9/14 6:27 PM as a reply to Andreas.
What is your understanding of what defines tantra?

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12/9/14 6:34 PM as a reply to Bill F..
He himself writes reinventing tantra, removes a lot etc. So why keep calling it the same thing. Mostly my issue is that i dont get the website.

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12/9/14 6:40 PM as a reply to Andreas.
Ha. It's cool. He practices in the Aro T'ger lineage, which is a vajrayana lineage. He is also a scientist and researcher of some kind, so perhaps he is trying to bridge our modern worldview with the practice of tantra. I assume he finds something valuable in each. He does have a article on there expressing his own definition of tantra. Without providing your own understanding I don't think I can offer much in clarifying the deviations you see. What do you think he has removed? -Bill

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12/9/14 7:13 PM as a reply to Bill F..
I know jack shit emoticon. Thought i read on site that he removes stuff, redefines etc. Like I said find it confusing. But from little I can gather it sounds more life embracing than life rejecting which seems to be the way of buddha buddhism the life rejection part that is.
My tradition is chan/zen via dogen, bankai, seng tsan among others if one should classify.

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12/9/14 7:28 PM as a reply to Andreas.
Ha, ok. If you want to understand the basic differences as defined by David Chapman they can be found here:

http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/

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12/9/14 7:48 PM as a reply to Bill F..
I encountered that post last month, totally slipped my mind. But it feels very chan zen like in approach. Then he uses the oxhearding images when he talks about tantra.

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12/9/14 7:53 PM as a reply to Andreas.
Yes, that's here: http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/emptiness-zen-tantra-dzogchen/    

He is saying that tantra begins on the ninth of the ox-herding pictures if my understanding is correct.

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12/9/14 8:01 PM as a reply to Bill F..
Yeah though im hard pressed to find any practice to get there. If tantric begins there then you cant use tantric to get there. I read the unclogging post but that was just confusing. I need a introduction before i get that. All talk of energy and stuff, which is just psychological metaphor or something. 3am might be a little late to read this stuff.

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12/9/14 8:24 PM as a reply to Andreas.
I understand. I don't think there's any practices on that site. Are you interested in learning buddhist tantra or were you just confounded by the site?

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12/9/14 8:52 PM as a reply to Bill F..
Yes im interested i googled vajarayana but wikipedia etc was not very practical, too academic. Though chapman mentions shinzen young as an example of teacher but i dont see how hes related to it. I got his science and enlightenment audiobook and his basicmindfullness pdfs. It doesnt seem very tantric.

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12/9/14 9:00 PM as a reply to Andreas.
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