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7/23/17 11:49 AM as a reply to T DC.
T DC:
I actually know of three teachers who are enlightened, and I'm sure their all busy AF.  So I haven't talked to them (well I talked to one of them), but I have read what they have to say about the path - that's how I got to where I am.  I read what teachers had to say, compared it to my experience, then worked off what they had to say about progression and future states in order to progress.



Can you please name those teachers, could be interesting. emoticon

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7/24/17 2:29 PM as a reply to T DC.
Ad hominem attacks!?  Plagarism!??  Ok, watch me engage in debate!


The DhO generally recognises the idea of differences in attainment - can stream entry well judge 4th path?  Is 4th path liable to be talking over the heads of those just past the A+P?  Answers - 1. No, 2. Yes.  Is this controversial at all?  I think not! 


Chris intimated he attained 4th path, and he also intimated his ability to judge final enlightenment, so when I wrote that someone 'say, at 4th path' could not judge final enlightenment, not only was this not ad hominem whatsoever, it was a logical argument based on difference in attainment - which the DhO explicitly recognises - as part of a debate. 


And plagarism!?  Are you kidding me?  Did you read what I wrote, for one?  Are you saying Buddhist ideas are intellectual copyright?  If you are going to accuse me of plagarism you had better back it up, or redact the statement.

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7/24/17 3:01 PM as a reply to T DC.
T DC:
Ad hominem attacks!?  Plagarism!??  Ok, watch me engage in debate!

I'm just a complete newb, but even I can see a fair amount of clinging to views/story, and suffering in your posts. If you're fully enlightened why are you clinging, and why are you agitated by being called a plagarist (or feeling a need to debate all this in the first place)?

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7/24/17 6:07 PM as a reply to T DC.
Surangama Sutra FTW!

"In the Surangama Sutra, where the Buddha warned of fifty demonic states that unmindful spiritual practitioners might fall prey to, he spoke of the possibility of how... 'that good man [or woman]... greedily seeks skilful means [to further spirituality]. Then, Mara [the chief heavenly demon], having awaited to take this convenience, [sends a] flying spirit [demonic ghost] to possess this [or another] person. With one's mouth preaching the Dharma of the Sutras, this person is not aware, that he [or she] is possessed by a demon, self-proclaiming to have attained unsurpassable Nirvana."
source: http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=6,11253,0,0,1,0

Regarding Chapter 8 of Surangama Sutra, it pretty much boils down to "But if he considers himself a sage, then a demon of ... does this and that and fucks you over totally, also eventually sending you down to Avicii hell for aeons of punishment, such as anal torture"

This of course applies to most, if not all, practitioners on this forum. You're all too eager to claim this and that , but can't even handle chili on your wieners emoticon

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7/24/17 6:36 PM as a reply to Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000.
Re: "chili on your wieners"...

Are we talking Coney Island Chili Dogs or jalapenos on the johnson? Although I am without greed or aversion, I would like many of the former and none of the latter. emoticon

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7/24/17 7:12 PM as a reply to shargrol.
shargrol:

Are we talking Coney Island Chili Dogs or jalapenos on the johnson?


Does it really matter as long as they make you one with everything?

I'm so sorry. I'll see myself out.

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7/24/17 7:34 PM as a reply to Lars.
Lars - Plagarism is a serious accusation, enlightened or not.

To the moderators:  Can you please close or delete this thread?  I would very much appreciate it.

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7/24/17 7:51 PM as a reply to shargrol.
shargrol:
Re: "chili on your wieners"...

Are we talking Coney Island Chili Dogs or jalapenos on the johnson? Although I am without greed or aversion, I would like many of the former and none of the latter. emoticon


Habaneros chopped in water, poured on your pee-wee. It's a direct indicator of how much shit you still have in your subtle body, as any aversion manifesting seems to correlate with how much resistance the subtle winds face when moving. It's a great indicator of realization, as you really cannot intellectualize your way around it.

It is said about Avadhutas (~ Nyonpas) that:

"They have actually realized; they care for nothing, feel
nothing done to the body, care not for heat, cold,
danger, or anything. They sit still, enjoying the bliss
of Atman, and though red-hot coals burn the body, they feel them not
"
source: http://www.nonduality.com/ag.htm

This is the highest standard of liberation.

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7/24/17 8:08 PM as a reply to T DC.
There once was a swami from Barrow
Who's downfall was one habanero
Put it on his pee wee
And like TD C
He didn't get back straight and narrow

emoticon

BTW - in Chicago one cannot put ketchup on the pee wee.

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7/24/17 8:25 PM as a reply to Chris Marti.
Chris Marti:

BTW - in Chicago one cannot put ketchup on the pee wee.

so true, too funny!  and any relish must be bright green emoticon

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7/25/17 5:20 AM as a reply to Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000.
"this chili pee wee thing looks like something someone with higher tolerance to this kind of pain would do to seduce weak minded into submission and to have control over them"

I basically agree. 

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7/25/17 8:00 AM as a reply to Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000.
Paweł K:
this chili pee wee thing looks like something someone with higher tolerance to this kind of pain would do to seduce weak minded into submission and to have control over them. Through practice this specific trick it should be actually pretty easy. People done worse and more challenging things for power, fame, money, etc. even for simple recognition

besides whole idea is un-Zen
I believe in judgement of my Zen-O-Meter, in never failed me and if it says it is 'meh...' then it surely it
though that said Theravada is not that much Zen either... <LOL>

Considering the fact that you're openly claiming pratyekabuddhahood, this is pretty hilarious. I haven't claimed anything nor am I attracting followers . I'm just pointing out that instead of runnign your mouths like the dharma raping MLECCHA that you are, you could actually go out and try how stable your so called realization truly is...

To prove my point, all you have to do is read some history books and learn about the lack of general anesthesia and other nice modern inventions, which, according to mainstream view of history, didn't exist during Buddha's time. That should give you an idea of a) the suffering people faced back then b) the value of overcoming that suffering with real Dharma and c) what is the standard for realization. To elaborate even further, that level of realization gave birth to the greatest literary works ever created, from Vedas to Dao De Jing, qualifies you as a KING OF KINGS, as the knowledge, purity and virtue gained through penance made even royalty kneel down before you. All you guys can do is attract the spoils of a society corrupt to its core, that is, people too lazy to do their learning and too weak to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of truth.

Why would I want any of these subhumans as a follower? Why would I openly claim anything as none of you have the capacity to judge my attainments anyway? What would I do with your recognition? Nothing. I shit on your traditions, piss on your teachers and cum on your attainments with every single god, buddha, bodhisattva, demon and saint on my side, as you won't see me circle jerking on BATGAP, preaching on some Youtube channel or writing books about spiritual practice. I'm too busy liberating myself from this abomination AKA material existence, and so should you be too.

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7/25/17 8:04 AM as a reply to Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000.
Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000:
Paweł K:
this chili pee wee thing looks like something someone with higher tolerance to this kind of pain would do to seduce weak minded into submission and to have control over them. Through practice this specific trick it should be actually pretty easy. People done worse and more challenging things for power, fame, money, etc. even for simple recognition

besides whole idea is un-Zen
I believe in judgement of my Zen-O-Meter, in never failed me and if it says it is 'meh...' then it surely it
though that said Theravada is not that much Zen either... <LOL>

Considering the fact that you're openly claiming pratyekabuddhahood, this is pretty hilarious. I haven't claimed anything nor am I attracting followers . I'm just pointing out that instead of runnign your mouths like the dharma raping MLECCHA that you are, you could actually go out and try how stable your so called realization truly is...

To prove my point, all you have to do is read some history books and learn about the lack of general anesthesia and other nice modern inventions, which, according to mainstream view of history, didn't exist during Buddha's time. That should give you an idea of a) the suffering people faced back then b) the value of overcoming that suffering with real Dharma and c) what is the standard for realization. To elaborate even further, that level of realization gave birth to the greatest literary works ever created, from Vedas to Dao De Jing, qualifies you as a KING OF KINGS, as the knowledge, purity and virtue gained through penance made even royalty kneel down before you. All you guys can do is attract the spoils of a society corrupt to its core, that is, people too lazy to do their learning and too weak to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of truth.

Why would I want any of these subhumans as a follower? Why would I openly claim anything as none of you have the capacity to judge my attainments anyway? What would I do with your recognition? Nothing. I shit on your traditions, piss on your teachers and cum on your attainments with every single god, buddha, bodhisattva, demon and saint as my witness. You won't see me circle jerking on BATGAP, preaching on some Youtube channel or writing books about spiritual practice. I'm too busy liberating myself from this abomination AKA material existence, and so should you be too.

Wonderful. There had to be a purpose to all this. Thank you for this inspiration.

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7/25/17 10:40 AM as a reply to junglist.
This has become the satire thread  emoticon

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7/25/17 11:34 AM as a reply to Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000.
Supreme Maharishi Bhumi 1000:

Habaneros chopped in water, poured on your pee-wee. It's a direct indicator of how much shit you still have in your subtle body, as any aversion manifesting seems to correlate with how much resistance the subtle winds face when moving. It's a great indicator of realization, as you really cannot intellectualize your way around it.


All joking aside if this is an indicator of realization, then i'm a fully enlightened buddha (and i'm sure there are plenty who would point out that it's not the case). One of the things that led me back to practise was experiencing incredible pain after an abdominal hernia surgery that "went a little wrong".

Pain medication didn't help much (even strong narcotics) so I experimented with all sorts of things. That included perscription strength capsaicin cream, which is basically bear spray in the form of a cream. It produces a feeling of being on fire, which then eventually subsides after about 30 minutes and is replaced with numbness. When showering to remove it, it sometimes.... gets where it isn't supposed to be.

I can tell you from unfortunate experience that that you can learn to experience "Habaneros chopped in water, poured on your pee-wee" without being strongly effected by the experience. If anything watching your body react can be amusing once you learn the trick of it. And i'm no arahant, not even close. As well, even if you don't learn the trick of detachment from the experience, eventually the nerves become numbed after repeated exposure and go from "oh my god i'm on fire!" to "oh, there's some tingling". Not the best test of awareness.   emoticon

This is now officially the most odd buddhism thread i've ever seen.

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7/25/17 11:56 AM as a reply to Lars.
Remember all the to do about walking on hot coals or sitting in a sweat lodge for days and days? These "tests" are about power and control, not about awakening.

JMHO


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7/25/17 12:09 PM as a reply to Chris Marti.
Yeah I realized recently that those yogis you see in pictures with their heads buried in the ground while upside down for a day or two are "just" doing the formless jhanas (probably the 8th jhana). Impressive, but not as mind bending as it appears to someone who isn't aware of the jhanas.

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7/25/17 12:20 PM as a reply to Lars.
Recall how the historical Buddha did all those self-denial and self-torture type practices for many years and got really, really good at them -- but realized eventually that they got him to nowhere he wanted or needed to go. Something else entirely was the proper path - the Middle Way.

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7/25/17 12:29 PM as a reply to Chris Marti.
True, but he also learned valuable lessons from those experiences. He used the jhanas on the night of his final enlightenment, and those were taught to him by the two old ascetics. That said I completely agree on the middle way thing, i've found recently that whenever I hit a bump I just have to ask myself if i'm in the middle or not. If i'm trying too hard, or not enough etc. It's not just ascetic versus hedonist, it applies to pretty much everything.

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7/25/17 12:39 PM as a reply to Lars.
Can anyone recommend a good source to read about the life of the Buddha? By good meaning accesible, accurate and concise enough.