Kimatthiya Sutta: Purpose and Benefits of Virtue, from the Anguttara Nikaya 10.1.1.1
cleared through the chakras to the one above the head and still it is going. I don't know how this will end, but its reason why you get people to stop and get the energy to come down. If you dont you wiil develop symptoms resembling mental illness, hallucinations and run the risk of opening the crown. Then your world is madness. Ive been out the top but the crown closed when i came back in. I got lucky. Contact Yogani directly tell him what you think has happened. See if he can help. This is considered a very difficult situation. Don't use a energy worker is my understanding. Be proactive get advice.
If you dont you wiil develop symptoms resembling mental illness, hallucinations and run the risk of opening the crown.
Once the energetics get out of balance, they can stay that way for a long time. This is often because it was going to happen anyway. From when the buzzing began it was set. This happens. Don't forget this is Premature Kundalini Awakening.Above is the Monk, i recommend. I did retreats with the local Sri Lankans up at Jhana Grove. His instruction can vary alot from pupil to pupil. His knowledge was vast. He may be able to help. He has Mahasi training and is aware of all the maps. So he can relate on that aspect, including multiple others. Best Wishes.
YilunIf someone told you it is a premature experience, ask him what is the difference in dealing with it as the word makes it sound like you did something wrong and should be guilty or reverse time to correct some errors?
Hi Yilun, the word sounding like you did something wrong can be in ones own dynamics-from childhood experiences for example.Certainly would throw a spanner into understanding my intentions. My intention would be concerned with-was something wrong done based on a lack of understanding of a better option, is this ongoing. Is the practitioner unaware of the trend regarding the practice, based on mass practitioners experiences. Is there a misunderstanding, or is the practitioner not interested. In which case leave them alone.This is the result of a choice by myself, to present, acknowledge, support and encourage a code of what is best overall view to encourage regarding meditation. Such as. To check it out first. Get informed. Some practices can have permanent concequences. There are traditional preparation standards that are showing to have merit, based on present day results. If you want to get into this stuff. Use the knowledge now available. Have a realistic psychlogical profile of yourself. Run it by qualified people, a number of them to be sure, Make sure you have access to experienced technical support, preferably a teacher. Advice on internet forums can be coming from good intentions but no experience. Thats why i point out Premature Awakening. Not to shame. To present, make it known that there are opinions. These opinions can have merit. If your the practitioner, don't hold back from pointing out things going wrong. If you don't like the wrong, try more difficult. Use it to add to (not dogma), but statistical knowledge that can be accessed by those taking up the practice. This is a choice, opinions on detail will vary. Don't sit on the fence waiting for what are the dominent opinions. Just start, put it out there, if yours isn't the one, look at whats dominent. Its probably better than yours. Its clear lots of other people do it. Daniel Ingram also is promoting an approach that is not his personal choice, because of difficulties people are having. Its early days. There is alot of potental in using both the good and bad results of many practitioners.In a possible future if a person wants to meditate, they can access stats. Average Joe coming on 40. Married, kids, morgage. Had a managable daily drinking problem since 18. A 20 a day smoker, suffers from depression. Wants to use meditation to turn his life around. Instead of being told. Great idea! It could read, great idea. You've got 22 years of substance abuse under your belt. Mindfullness practices can develop into a no turning back process. Stats with substance abuse show a high rate of difficult symptoms. Its not uncommon to experience periods of instability and loss of function. What? Could involve some down time, or add degree's of difficulties to daily life. What?How difficult?For how long? Joe can be shown the results. Understanding of his current responsibilities- he can make an informed decision-say not at the moment, what else have you got.
YilunIt is definitely not A&P, I go through A&P with K layered on top.It will drive people to wrong conclusions and thus practices if we go along and propagate the myths. I frankly do not think practicing by all these old technical knowledges e.g. chakras, channels are of any use - e.g. sending me to go check on my assumed premature crown opening, etc. There shouldn't be anything to fear of any chakra other than good
A&P=Kundalinimeans at first proper A&P(insight into the material aspect of phenomena) Kundalini can awaken. The meditation now inclines to the mental aspect. So it doesn't mean Kundalini and A&P have a ongoing connection. At A&P rupa (corporeal) and nama(mental attributes) or matter-mind this is when Vipassana commences. Psychosomatic means mind (psyche) and body (soma). Thats why Kundalini can get called the Psychosomatic Serpent.I assume what you said to be important. You said you were above the head. I recommended getting things checked out. If you go back and read the posts you will see, it was one of your more challenging periods. It was a good time to consolidate. I think. The explanation above, including how it could develop is not some idea that i have. The intention is fact, where it may lead is fictitious but inline with the heart felt intention. So throwing shame or instilling fear isn't there.
YilunThis K thing is mystifying, it has cleared through the chakras to the one above the head and still it is going. I can't push on even though I increase EQ to bear its increasing intensity.
BigbirdClearing to above the head would indicate open but tingling, pressure at crown would indicate closed.So its hard to confirm from what your saying. This is always with internet chat communication shortcomings.
Thats not EQ. Its not EQ of formations and its not the other one that you develop. You don't decide to be EQ. Either you have EQ or you don't. Increase to bare. You should look at that. Decreasing or letting go of resistance to accept, helps develop EQ. Allowing phenomena to present itself as it is, develops EQ. Goenke says remain EQ, but its a figure of speech-more stay calm. When you do develop that EQ. You can't increase it. You can't keep it. You can know when its present and know when its not present. You must keep developing it.Its a quality of Enlightment.I know people say that they are being EQ or remaining EQ. That would be whats called interllectual EQ. You can stay on the breath, that is a more legit form of EQ. The interlectual EQ is a standard beginning. Its worth analysing how to develop EQ. What are the practices that drive the development. Both EQ and Letting Go may start from a affirmation type but should be developed to become the real thing.Have a look at Dharmajiva's- In this life itself, chapter 8 Contenplation on feelings.Develop awareness of the indifferent feeling. You need to develop awareness into the nature of both the pleasant and unpleasant feeling. The nature of pain involves observing pain, same with pleasure. Don't do this thing where you try to get the three fold quality of feelings, first. Its to be developed.
Yilunuse of attentional breathing techniques to soothe/spread out the energetics
. I do not think grounding is the solution either. It is a temporary measure to get people to get used to the strong symptoms. I might go mad or get through this by bashing through it anyhow. I think this information will be useful to others.I suggest we soothe people when we encounter them.
I would instead congratulate whomever has Kundalini Awakening symptoms and tell them to simply ignore all the dogma (there is nothing practical to find there), trust it won't kill/harm them and just proceed without fear. I don't find all the information gathering the past months, at the expense of simple 3C practice of any benefit at all to be honest. I have been guilty of trying to find some secret master/teachings to get me out of my misery instead of trusting the exquisitely simple instructions of the Buddha. Are you liking the mystical aspects of Kundalini a bit too much, Bigbird?
The things that i would follow would be what is the current most prominent performers, as long as it was not high risk or something like that. If that means thats a 3000 year old piece of information. If thats still the proven performer by todays current experiences. It is what it is. Obviously its subjective. I don't have a problem with mystical. I'm quite comfortable seeing the story of Adam and Eve both a metaphorical story from the Old Testament and a catagorically accurate understanding of something. As long it doesn't involve being facinated, amazed or in awe of some ambiguous, open ended, paradox.I prefer particle physics theory with what can't possibly be imagined in the mix.The stuff that the yogi was saying about preparation and results, had alot of accuracy, regarding sushumna awakening, and possible effects when applied to the current experience practitioners have today. I only used that piece to show you that these old ideas still stand. Until something better is known- Thats where i sit.I'm not traditional at all. Put some substance on table and i'm in, and that will be usefull for to others as well. Its good to examine the established or presented ideas and be skeptical, thats what people should do. Don't forget you are now in the process of dropping one view and taking up another. Your saying you realise the problem with the other, and promote the new one as the correct view. Thats good, it still has to work, be varified. Alot of the existing ideas you have negated, then introduced a counter idea of your own, you didn't really give a reasonable trial to the existing ones and the ones you have introduced you have not trialed either. Somewhere along the line, you will need to follow through, and find a source, something tangable. It may not be the best word, but will do. Develop something tangable is probably a better term, because its something for you, not for anyone else.The websites are as close as i could reasonably find about what i call dynamics. Its been 25 years. Its all been split up. Though i think may have spotted why Noah is not happy with New- Age. They are sticking there nose into Psychology and turning into, its bad i was only in there for a momement- Fourth Force, Ultimate Development, Cosmic Humanist, Perfect Health, Shirley MacLaine, im out thats 3 paragraphs. Should send a whole squadron of Nanas in there and half a dozen Kundalini's. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/200806/essential-secrets-psychotherapy-the-inner-childhttp://joy2meu.com/inner_child.htmlhttps://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/who-is-your-inner-child/http://learningcircle.ubc.ca/files/2011/03/UBC-Learning-Circle-March-10th-2011-Addiction-and-Codependency.pdfhttp://relational-integrative-psychotherapy.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Chapter-15-Systemic-Theory-and-Therapy-handout.pdfThere is a psychological component, its a pattern of dynamics that are operating.The term i remember was Systemic Dynamics.It involves a number of participants, eg a Family. Its when a group breaks into a system of roles, to compensate for dysfunction. This means each individual develops a very strong pattern of behavior, regarding a few key issues. That means there will be a low number, maybe 3 very strong, almost guaranteed responses to situations, but may have a few more variations. It was called acting out. Often this is a case of young children being put into a situation where they have to drop their need for nurturing, and start playing a role. This is where Inner Child stuff came from. As adults they can be high functioning, but will have these buttons, that produce a consistent predictable response. Its compulsive. Awareness of it doesn't work that well, the dynamics win everytime.My personal opinion is being a meditator with Kundalini, use the opportunity to work directly with the psychology. Do a Goenke and use the technique to penitrate through, to what is often called the subconcious mind, which he calls concious mind, as its aware 24/7. It is the mind that the yogis that don't sleep mostly use, so i guess its the concious mind. This stuff will be what Goenke calls the deep complexes. Deep,like grooves cut in, so you fall in everytime, its the same as the term hardwiring, or deeply engrained neural pathways. Its only eradicating a few massive pathways, in form of a huge amount of of energy. You can try and penitrate from the surface, which i would consider the equivalent of penitrating a 1 foot thick concrete wall by licking it with your tongue. The reason why i say that is because the master controller is only sensate, and you will work with the conceptual mind-the surface. You will be talking to the assistant. Not even that. Everthing is at odds. Every contact is a conditioned response. The energetic component first then the assistant, then back and forth. They don't work well. You wouldn't penitrate, to any degree that would be effective.At the sensate level its entirely different. Learning to recognise the Sankaras, then EQ observing using the breath, will cause them to become weaker and start to oscillate and break up. As they rise up into the energetics, the mental factor will respond like a parrot, only now there's no delusion. You've got both aspects in your field of awareness, two parts of the one experience. Anyway its looks like your moving out of the Kundalini Information Network. Sounds like a good move. Simple instructions of the Buddha-thats as good as it gets, but instructions not creations. Not having any real discriptions about POI, Goenke, Kundalini and using Satipathana was probably easier for me than you've got it. Understanding the theory was more complicated than doing the practice, as three different traditions each had taken an aspect and made it the whole show. I got on the net around 6.5 years from starting. A thread with Daniel-san was the first.Having done Goenke was ideal. It came with the perfect outlook. Whatever happens is what happens. Perfect for Satipathana.Trusting the Buddha-i don't know about that. Metaphorically speaking the instruction and practice is the Buddha for me. So it has to perform, verify be tangible. It does that.
YilunLiberation is not beyond the 3Cs, is it not?
I may misunderstand. The 3Cs themselves don't liberate,i think. In fact i think one could have never heard of 3Cs and not be disadvantaged regarding liberation. I would think that doing whats written below would liberate. I would think that yogi in 2000 years would have done that. So if no one got liberated before the Buddha. Maybe the concept of the 3Cs, but the quality of the mind would be liberating factor. I'm not laying it out here-this is just ideas, as participation in discussion. I find alot of these discussions to indirect, because i don't know if what i think a person is saying is what that person means. The stuff below by Shargrol and Chris would be the qualities of mind and the liberating factors.
SatipathanaThis "objective" way of looking at a thing, freed from considerations of the personal reactions to that thing, is the pith of the method and constitutes what is called "knowing as it is" (yathabhuta ñanadassana). Also by its quality of reckoning just what is present, mindfulness cuts down discursive thought and prepares the mind to take in the actual characteristics of the cognized objects. In this sense, mindfulness lets the objects speak for themselves and unfold their nature.
ShargrolSo mediation is about finding a home in the current moment, mindful and unswayed by compulsions.Centering yourself in the current moment of "letting be, letting go" is enough and you'll notice that it is all that can be done.
Just as an added poetic point, the "letting be, letting go" is wisdom, whereas the "wanting to let go all the way" is suffering, albeit very advanced suffering.
ChrisMy own way of expressing this, probably far less coherently, is that one cannot use aversion to work with aversion. The same is true on clinging. That's another reason this practice is so hard - we just have to reach a certain "place" from which to be most effective.
This is just my opinions, possible ideas,waffle. I left your question about Kundalini symptoms etc. I will do a timeline with discriptions of the symptoms. That will be next, if i you respond to this and i don't respond back its because there's no time at the moment. Dharmajiva knows about Buddha Medicine. He talk to me about it once, i don't know its limit. He's is kind, and Sri Lankans are easy to be around. Best Wishes.
NO worries at all Bigbird. A coincidence that Dhammajiva replied to a request I sent to that monastery last week. He said to simply balance walking and sitting meditation time spent. Have you tried abiding to that mid/long-term? He did not mention Buddha medicine
Hi Yilun, I first met him was around 2.25 years after starting. I did the retreat with the Sri Lankans. I had been told he knew Satipathana behond most. I explained what was happening using whatever means: energy, episodes, pain, pleasure, disomfort etc. I used classical music and movements for one discription. Satipathana to discribe the practice and was looking foreward to finally getting some advice. He told me to stick to what i was doing. There are alot more details, but thats the main part. So i haven't done what he suggested to you.His instruction was spot on, at 2 years my practice was difficult, because it was quite extreme energetics, and lots of Sankaras, nightime events of the winds blowing, but is was consistently, working. The daily sitting followed by what i did to faciltate it coming out when the winds started blowing was working. From my perspective now,to change it would have been silly.If your wonder how i can recommend him.Over some years i watched him answer thousands of questions, from the Sri Lankan lay people, western lay people, Monks. People would come in from the monastery to hear him answer questions. He was a cut above the normal, he is kind, and someone that would be more likely able to help.
During a conversation he made suggestions regarding medical capabilities that were out of the range of normal, by western standards. I queried him on it, and he was clear he understood what he was saying, knew it was behond western standards and that in specific areas there were cases like this-behond western. It seemed to involve bodywork, of some kind. Thats it.
We use to talk physics, amongst other things. He's well educated by western standards. So i would think his claims could have merit.Below is from the post, where i mention it.
Dharmajiva knows about Buddha Medicine. He talk to me about it once, i don't know its limit.