RE: Cutting New Paths in the Mind (Transcription of Thanissaro Talk�

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Cutting New Paths in the Mind (Transcription of Thanissaro Talk)

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When we're taught to meditate, there's so much emphasis placed on being in the present moment, not wandering off to the past -- not wandering off to the future -- that we tend to neglect a very important part of Right Effort, which is to prevent unskillful qualities from arising. To prevent these things we have to anticipate them, we have to recognise there are certain patterns of behavior that we tend to fall into, ways in which we're really quick to stab ourselves: thoughts of shame, thoughts of inadequacy, fear, feeling threatened very easily... there are lots of ways in which we bring unnecessary suffering onto ourselves, and they tend to be very quick. They're like paths in the mind that we've walked back and forth many, many times. There's nothing in the way, we've killed all the grass, we've cut back all the bushes, cause we've been back and forth so many times that now we can just run right down those paths, find the arrows at the end of the path and just stick ourselves with them.

And when you recognise you have these patterns you have to learn how to counteract them, so they don't arise or if they do arise you can let go of them quickly. That's what this aspect of Right Effort is all about. And it does require planning. You want to be able to observe the mind: What kind of thoughts does it engage in, [to] bring on that ability to stab yourself? What's the line of thought, what's the reasoning, what's the agenda behind those patterns of thinking? And then very deliberately sit down and think in other ways, learn how to counteract whatever the reasoning there may be behind them. And you want to break these things down into manageable bits.

Last night I heard someone talking about how she'd been on a retreat, and had been dealing with large archetypes in her mind, and perhaps they were taught that they were dealing with archetypes so that they could have a sense that what they were dealing with was important work. But when you think of patterns in your mind as being archetypes, i.e. parts of the collective unconscious, these are things that are built into the human mind, it makes these things really large, much larger than you. And it's very easy to be overcome by these things.

So remember it's not an archetype, it's a pattern, it's a pattern you may have in common with lots of other people, but it's simply a habit, or a series of a habits, and you want to learn how to recognize them as specific habits, specific choices that you make. And when you cut them down to size this way, then you find that they are more manageable, you can take them out one by one by one. And if you let them remain archetypes... I was told that Jung had these archetypes carved into stone and placed around his house. And that's a good symbol for what a lot of people do with their patterns of behavior, they carve them into stone, and you can never get rid of them that way. But if you realize it's a series of choices, and patterns of behavior, these pathways in the mind that you've been running up and down, up and down, up and down, it means you can choose other paths, paths that don't lead to a briar patch, don't lead to lots of thorns and arrows. Cut other paths across them. And very deliberately think in other ways.

At first it may seem awkward, but as you learn to think in opposite ways... [For instance] you realize that you've done something wrong, you've hurt somebody, and there's a sense of shame, a sense of embarassment. OK, recognizing that it was a mistake is an important skill that you have to develop, you have to maintain, but by burning yourself up around it, it's not going to brand it into your mind. Because what often happens is when those thoughts become very painful, then you try to deny them. You try to bury them away. The more painful they are, the more they get buried, and of course the more they get buried of course, the harder they are to deal with. And then they don't really help you. You want your memory of your mistakes to be near at hand, but not so painful that you can't pick it up. So just make a mental note, "That was a mistake, I shouldn't have done it that way," and then you try to sit down very deliberately and think about what an alternate way of handling the situation might have been. And that way the shame becomes a useful quality of mind. It's no longer an unskillful quality, it's part of your skillful process of learning.

So in each case, you recognize you've got these habits, you've got to sit down and deliberately counteract them. Cause otherwise they turn into something way too big, way to contentious. That's the kind of thinking that the Buddha calls papanca, where you identify yourself, "I am this kind of person, I am the thinker, and the thinker has these habits, and the thinker has these needs." And as soon as you take on that identity, of course being a being, then you have to feed. Your sense of identity has to be fed with certain thoughts, certain ideas. And it just grows bigger and bigger and bigger. And it's going to conflict with other people's sense of their identity. And these things just get too big to deal with.

This kind of thinking is called objectification, you turn yourself into a particular type of object. You're this being, with these habits, these archetypes filled in. Sometimes papanca is translated as proliferation, it's not really the amount of thinking that's causing the problem, it's the type of thinking, the type of thinking that makes you bigger and more solid than you have to be. And you become a being with all these needs that need to be fulfilled.

So the Buddha's approach is to learn to take all this apart. Remember those questions he said that don't deserve asking, or don't deserve attention? "Who am I? What am I? Am I good? Am I bad?" Get the sense of identity out of that, simply look at, what kind of habit is this? Is this a useful habit? Do I really want it? You may know very well that you don't want it, but it keeps coming back, coming back, so you say, well I've got to face it, and deal with it, and deal with it as a habit. And learn how to question it. If you can't come up with good arguments to your mind against following that kind of habit, or falling in line with the reasoning which drives that habit, at least learn to put question marks in, [for instance if it says] "This is this and that's that", and ask yourself well, is that really true? It's so easy to make yourself miserable over what you think someone has said, or someone has done, or what someone represents. And then only to find out later that that wasn't the case at all. So learn how to insert some question marks in the rush of those thoughts, break them up a little bit. So when the impulse comes to follow your old habits, you've got some alternative ways of thinking, alternative ways of breathing, alternative ways of picturing the whole situation to yourself. And alternative ways of relating to these patterns, instead of thinking of them as being large archetypes, or part of your identity, they're simply a series of habits.

And you can create new habits, it's like finding that the paths you've been follwing through the forest lead only to traps that are filled with spikes. Well, you can find other habits, you can cut other paths through the forest. It takes time, sometimes you've got to cut through a lot of brush, but once you've made that first foray into the new path, then it's simply a matter of going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth over and over again. So you get a path out of the forest. Or at the very least if you're going to stay in the forest, you know the good places to go. You know where the water is, you know where shelter is, you know where the good medicinal and edible plants are, and try to blaze a path to those areas.

So you're cutting your old habits down to size by cutting new paths through the forest. This is an important aspect of Right Effort. So you don't keep stabbing yourself in the way you used to, or if you do find you're stabbing yourself, you can quit more quickly. Not just keep indulging in the old habits.

That's one of the ways in which your Right Effort becomes all-around. Then you're not stuck with just one technique, the way the British were stuck in World War II, they thought the Japanese were going to attack Singapore from the sea, so they pointed all their cannons out toward the sea, they had them set in concrete, and sure enough the Japanese came down the Malay peninsula, and the cannons were useless. So don't let yourself be stuck with just cannons pointing in one direction, you've got four directions which you've got to watch out for: learning how to prevent unskillful habits or unskillful qualities from arising, and if they have arisen, learning how to abandon them. How to give rise to skillful qualities and how to develop and nurture skillful qualities when they have arisen. You want your right effort to be all-around. Because only that way can they give you all-around protection.

Corrections welcome.
Richard Zen, modified 10 Years ago at 6/19/13 6:50 PM
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This is a good reminder because we are always going to use habits. It's the bad ones that are the problem. Not the good ones.
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This is a good reminder because we are always going to use habits. It's the bad ones that are the problem. Not the good ones.

Hey Richard, I don't know exactly what you mean by that, but it seems like something a bit contrary to my experience. Habit of any sort seems problematic to me, a sort of escape from the present moment. Habit seems to be what happens when presence/awareness is absent, and in moments when we are acting habitually it seems that we are locked in something which keeps us from being totally alive. I got the advice from a Richard Baker dharma talk to cut myself off in habitual action and to really appreciate the uniqueness of every moment. Instead of just "putting my shoes on" which becomes relatively harmless habit, i try and keep an unknowing/curious mind and experience all the little sensations and intentions surrounding even that mundane activity. At that point I don't really think of myself as "putting my shoes on" but rather I don't have any particular ideas or assumptions or expectations around how the situation might turn out and try to experience the full richness of whatever happens to be going on. Action flows more spontaneously out of a moment to moment responsiveness/creativity which is not really habitual.

Maybe we just mean different things by habit? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Richard Zen, modified 10 Years ago at 6/19/13 7:35 PM
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I mean habit like driving a car. There are always going to be a certain amount of habits and even when I'm mindful of driving I'm not mindful like the first time I learned driving. I look at skills having useful habits. You have to have a certain speed from practice that habit brings out. Being overly conscious and slow is not practical.

Yes typical habits of losing consciousness and going like a robot (especially if it's a bad habit) is exactly what we don't want but there must be habits we are creating involving meditation. The fact something becomes a baseline must involve a change of habits.
Mind over easy, modified 10 Years ago at 6/19/13 10:37 PM
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Wow, that was an intense read! Very inspired writing.

Hey, getting into jhana is a habit! At first it takes work, but then being able to get to them is habitual. Or knowing how to deal with certain stages of insight, at first it's experimental and trial-and-error, but then it becomes... habitual. Or holding the door for my mother! emoticon
Bailey , modified 10 Years ago at 6/20/13 7:46 AM
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I was gonna make fun of Than for being tl;dr and say something stupid about how you don't truly understand something if you can't explain it in 5 sentences...

But then I read it... good stuff lol emoticon