Sam's Practice Log #3

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I learned and experienced a lot during Log #2. At the begining, I offered some information on my history and methods:
  1.  first practice log,
HISTORY
A lot of my practice history both pre-DhO and DhO learning about noting can be found here. I talk about nothing happening for 7 years. Most of it was Tibetan under Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche. Since I joined DhO and switched back to Vipassana, mainly at-loud Mahasi style noing and the addition of my teacher, I entered the path at Dukka Nana 9 Desire for Deliverance, passed through Reobservation and now am in Low-EQ.

MY DAILY PRACTICE
My daily practice consists of 40 minutes in the AM (10 minutes concentration/jhana and 30 minutes Mashai Noting) and 40 minutes a night
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10 min Concentration / 30 min Noting AM Sit #1

10 min Concentration / 30 min Noting AM Sit<br /><br />This new Liferay hs my posts not in order but scattered. I put a lot of effort into only replying to the top post.<br /><br />Concentration practice was very good but had a lot of Log thoughts Still got to 10 on a majority of breath counts. When I started Noting, I realzed the I had 2 of the Factors of Enlightenment - Energy and Calm. The calm kept my noting relaxed and consistent. I stayed like this for most of the sit until I hit the hinderance of Boredom. I applied the factors of Energy and Faith. I had some Gut Excitement too.

​​​​​​​New log. New practice? I'm meeting with Abre today on  my disatisfaction with my current.
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Met with Abre over my unhappiness at seemingly lack of progress in practice. She said that there was a lot of "I" in my statements. I have no connection to the seven factors. I have doubt over noting. I  have not progressed. Lots of I statemenets.

She encouraged me to use the 2nd Factor oif Awakening - Investigation of Dhammas to look into this sense of I and my mind. I will see if I investigate "I have not progressed". that that is mind. Its not me,not Mine, just a phenomenon. That in those moments the I is solid instead of normaal and open. Also in the Goldtein Chapter on the 2nd factor, mind types are described and I have an adversive type - everything is always wrong - a negative type.
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hi sam,

Congratulations on starting log #3! It says a lot about your determination and persistence in practice, and this seems like an auspicious moment to reaffirm your commitment to the meditative path, in light of all your recent challenges. Faith, indeed.

Honestly, I find it hard to say much of anything, beyond wanting to know more about how you are doing with your Parkinson's diagnosis, and with the recent medical expenses leaving you, last I heard, without any money to buy food. Can you give us an update on your situation? What kind of support are you getting? How can we help?
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hi sam,

Congratulations on starting log #3! It says a lot about your determination and persistence in practice, and this seems like an auspicious moment to reaffirm your commitment to the meditative path, in light of all your recent challenges. Faith, indeed.

Honestly, I find it hard to say much of anything, beyond wanting to know more about how you are doing with your Parkinson's diagnosis, and with the recent medical expenses leaving you, last I heard, without any money to buy food. Can you give us an update on your situation? What kind of support are you getting? How can we help?
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Thanks for the kinnd words on the practice. The Parkinson's is getting worse. I currently have food until the end of the week but no money. I tried both sides of the family without sucess. I have a friend who I am going to talk to Friday about money. Money is best way anyone can help.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles Sam! Im in a jobless situation again and with this new wave of COVID in Denmark I dont think it will be easy to find anything just now. Money wise Im dry and also our baby is on the way in about two months. I wish I was in situation to help out but Im not. I hope you sort this situation soon, so you dont need to stress about it.
Best wishes your way!
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10 min Concentration / 30 min Noting AM Sit

Concentration was very good. Most of noting wasn't very good. I had very little Energy. Very little Concentration. I founnd it difficult to note objects. I just kept thinking my financial worry thoughts. Everything was fuzzy. I could not muster enough Energy to make out a sensation. Then with ten minutes left, it's as if a switch was flipped and I had lots of Energy all of a sudden and noted from there.
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Concentration practice was very good. For noting, the Awkening Factors like Energy, Concentration, Mindfulness but it was a battle of hinderances. I had strong Desire all throughout. I had Restlessness to which I applied the factor of Calm. Didn't help much. And then there was the Boredom. Time seemed to be going in reverse. I just wanted the sit to end but it seemed to drag on.
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Sam
"Thanks for the kind words on the practice. The Parkinson's is getting worse. I currently have food until the end of the week but no money. I tried both sides of the family without sucess. I have a friend who I am going to talk to Friday about money. Money is best way anyone can help."

Sam, with the Messages function here on DhO apparently not working, you might want to put your PayPal information up here, to make it easier for anyone who wants to help with the money. Are you taking steps to seek any kind of social services support?

I really am impressed with your determination and persistence in your meditation practice right now. I can only imagine how overwhelming your simplest life concerns can feel at the moment, and that you are plugging away faithfully is a beautiful and inspiring thing to me. Is Abre aware of your PD condition? You said it is "getting worse"--- what are the symptoms at this point? There is quite a bit of literature out there on mindfulness meditation as a big plus in living with Parkinson's --- this article has several links, and is at least a toe in the water--- 
How Mindfulness Meditation Helps Parkinson's - Brian Grant Foundation

I would be very interested in your sense of living with the disease in your meditations, whether you are making any specific adjustments in attitude or technique, or any other thoughts on the interface of your "dharma life" and your basic human situation. Awakening to the human reality of disease was one of the things that set Gautama on the meditative path in the first place; and here you are, right at the crunch point where the meditation meets the dukkha. I'm grateful that you're sharing your practice logs here, and hoping with all my heart that you find refuge and support in the Buddha, the Dharma, and the sangha, and that your faith in the path proves to be a sustaining blessing. Your courage is an inspiration.

​​​​​​​love, tim
 
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Sam
"Thanks for the kind words on the practice. The Parkinson's is getting worse. I currently have food until the end of the week but no money. I tried both sides of the family without sucess. I have a friend who I am going to talk to Friday about money. Money is best way anyone can help."

Tim, you hvae a beautiful heart with this post.

Sam, with the Messages function here on DhO apparently not working, you might want to put your PayPal information up here, to make it easier for anyone who wants to help with the money. Are you taking steps to seek any kind of social services support?
Good idea. My PayPal is  my email mscoree42@gmail.com



I really am impressed with your determination and persistence in your meditation practice right now. I can only imagine how overwhelming your simplest life concerns can feel at the moment, and that you are plugging away faithfully is a beautiful and inspiring thing to me. Is Abre aware of your PD condition? You said it is "getting worse"--- what are the symptoms at this point? There is quite a bit of literature out there on mindfulness meditation as a big plus in living with Parkinson's --- this article has several links, and is at least a toe in the water--- 
How Mindfulness Meditation Helps Parkinson's - Brian Grant Foundation
Yes, Abre is aware of my condition. The symptoms at this point are unbalanced walking, tremors, body parts moving, unable to write - all shaking. Thank you for the poiintter!

I would be very interested in your sense of living with the disease in your meditations, whether you are making any specific adjustments in attitude or technique, or any other thoughts on the interface of your "dharma life" and your basic human situation. Awakening to the human reality of disease was one of the things that set Gautama on the meditative path in the first place; and here you are, right at the crunch point where the meditation meets the dukkha. I'm grateful that you're sharing your practice logs here, and hoping with all my heart that you find refuge and support in the Buddha, the Dharma, and the sangha, and that your faith in the path proves to be a sustaining blessing. Your courage is an inspiration.

Some days my practice suffers because I don't even get out of bed. Other times I doubt the practice but lately my faith has been rising where I am practicing and reading a lot of dharma books


​​​​​​​love, tim
Tim you have a golden heart. This post and you uplifted me!
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10 minutes Concentration / 30 Min Noting AM Sit

My first attempt at Cocentration because a good friend was texting me and there were some loud drilling  next door. Once I did Concentration for real, it was excellent. I got to 10 on most of breath counts. At the begining of my noting practice I noticed that the Awakening Factors of Calm, Concentration, Energy were present. Early in the meditation, I had a gratitude period for Tim and all thne DhO members who had taken interest in Parkinsons and helped finacially. I  had a lot of periods of Restlessness to which I applied the Awakening Factor of Calm. This happened multiple times. On the Visual front. I saw bright white light, aalmost in the shape of a circle. The other thing I noted is I experienced a number of sensations that could be the Parkinsons like feet tapping, trembling, body movements.
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Concentration was excellent with making almost all breath counts to 10. I am wonderig what does it take to go from here to achieving access concentration? The first thing I noticed when noting was the loud wind howling at 45 mph. I noticed I had a lot of Energy factor, but a lot of Restlessness to which I applied the Calm awakening factor. I noticed the Parkinson's symptoms - trembling, feet movement, confusion and innability to take notes in my journal. I heard a plane -> Gone.
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Wonderful sits, and I had to laugh that the first thing you noted after the concentration was the howling wind, lol. I live near some train tracks, and I often have the same experience, of realizating a train has been going by for some time, or even not noticing the train from the noise, but from the sudden silence after it is gone. From that, it seems like your concentration has got real momentum, and it ain't broke, you're doing it just right. Noting the Parkinson's symptoms fascinates me, and anything you share along those lines would be welcome. I know Linda/polly explores what seems like similar neurological/physical territory with her Tourette's symptoms, which she talks about in her log at times. Finding the noting balance with involuntary physical movements, tics, trembling, is crucial to all meditation practice, and in your case I would imagine it will be on one of the front burners while you are making your peace with it. 

​​​​​​​Hang in there, brother.
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Thanks Brother for that and all your support
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The concentration meditaion was almost excellent except I had Log thoughts of telling you, that after hearig interviews with Tina Rasmusan, and Stev Synder, I started reading thie Practicing the Jhanas. I don't feel I'm ready  for the Jhanas but one thing they emphasixed was concentration is hard and it takes lots of time, like long retreats. I'm going to ask Abre, but what do you think: should I increase my concentration time at least from 10 minutes to 20? Which should I emphasize at this point: Concentration or Noting?

The Noting practice begin with my noting of the Awakening Factor of Calm that was strongly preesent. But before long, I felt the Parkinson's symptoms - legs tapping, tremors, confusion. This caused Restlessnessness but I had plenty of the Calm factor to apply. It was pretty much like that for the rest of the sit.

This afternoon, I begin a year long Advanced Buddhist Studies course with the first 4 months on theSatipathana Sutta based on Joseph Goldstein's excellent book Mindfulness. Great timing with my practice and the Factors.
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Concentration or Noting? I dont know emoticon 

You have Abre as teacher and you follow so many different teachers and you also pick up on stuff here on DhO emoticon Im not sure I could do that as it would confuse the heck out of me emoticon I need to set out with one technique and stick with it for a long while. Changing too much will only sqeez out the energy and even intruduce doubt.

Concentration is more pleasant/healing. Noting can be turbulent/destabilising. 

Considering your health you must be the judge. What can you take and how much can you take? 

Would it be a good idea to spend next 6 months only doing Jhana practice or just Shamatha Calm-abiding. You still need applied thought in such practice so not to go off into La-la Land instead of one-pointed meditating on the object of choice. 
Take time to choose the object you feel might be of most interest to you. Is breathing boring, well, what about Fire Kasina or just any Kasina of your choice? Mantra is another good concentration based meditation. 

Be sure to ask yourself what you really need right now emoticon 

If you choose to do Jhana/Concentration do allow for some adjustment time to happen as this Noting is strong with you and is in motion on its own emoticon Right emoticon 
So take this into consideration if you start Jhana practice as Noting will tend to happen on tis own but dont follow it, just return again and again to your concentration object (breathing, Kasina, mantra ... ).
It will take some time to get more away from the Noting-habit and more into Absorption-solidifying habit emoticon Give it time instead of getting frustrated with this transition.

What ever you choose best wishes to you Sam!  
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20 min Concentration / Contemplation of Body Parts Sit #2

Just finished my first 2 hour class on Satipathana Sutta. To add to earlier, e did 20 min of Concentration meditation combined with Body Parts Meditation.
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I'd first like to thank the half dozen members of this community who supporrted me with  grocery money and other needed things. Some said things like my log and practice inspired them. I don't know about that but I'm very, very grateful. This is a wonderful community. I was all alone before meeting Daniel and joining this community. Now I really feel part of something.

For today's concentration, it was nearly excellent. The only thing I noticed is that I sometimes force the breath because I don't think I'm feeling it. Reading Tina Rasmusan and Steve Synder's Practing the Jhanas taught me about the Anapanasatti Spot in the middle of the nostrils and let myself feel the the breath over this spot. Helpful.

The noting was very good today. I had the factors of Calm, Energy, Concentration and Energy. I entered the meditation feeling Calm. We're in the middle of a two-day Npr'easter blizzard so I heard the snow tuned to sleet coming down and the winds. Once again, the Parkinson's symptoms - foot tapping, tremors, body jerks - started and I got a little Restlessness, to which I applied Calm to. I then stayed in a state of Calm for most of the rest of the meditation. The other thing to mention is I did a Gratitude meditation for the DhO community and my gifts.
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Oh my God! I don't know what I just experienced! I will need help unpacking this as I have never experienced anything like this in 8 years of meditation

The Concentration practice was excellent, focused on the A Spot in the nostrils and then wham! There's this big ensation there like its exxpanded twice the size and twice as much air is coming in. What was that?

It gets better. I was very Calm/Relaxxed when I entered Noting. I was getting tingles all over, my mind felt very clear and light. I begun to feel like I was floating. It went deeper. I started to gget goosebumps as waves of energy, joy went through my arms and legs. I've never felt like this. Did I experience Rapture? I think so.
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Payday! Congratulations Sam!

Now the thing is not to get attached to it ... easier said than done I know emoticon
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As long you are doing Noting of matter of fact arisings be it huge bombastic or tiny weeney you will not get attached even if you find this to be pleasant. The same way we let the ugly horrible dark stuff arise with all the acceptance so do we also let this pleasant arise with all the acceptance.

Let joy be joy and misery be misery. Let it all be as IS emoticon 

Its all good in here emoticon Good man Sam! 
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I would not worry about this, follow the interest, let this work its healing magic - who gets attached to jhanas ?

For me they usually show up at a time where they will be beneficial. enjoy.

It also means concentration is getting stronger ...
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who gets attached to jhanas ?

​​​​​​​anyone who is not an arahant!
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Well I think it's the least of sam's worries.
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Im not an aragh... arahgant....arh...damn it!!! And I dont give a flying rats ars about jhanas emoticon Come jhana, come itch, come full blown re-obs come EQ, it all is what it is!
Dont fear misery , dont fear pleasure. Two sides of the same coin. Both sides disappear if you look at the coin from its thin side. So what is that same coin now? 

Also gotta get attached to know what that does emoticon What do we do when we fall off the horse? emoticon 
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Yeah, and these are healing states, the buddha encouraged their cultivation, as do all mystical traditions of all religions, - as for myself, when I started getting experiences such as what sam describes, that was a great time in my life when my practice was really getting a foothold, it contributed to making my daily life so joyful and easy and light, and it led to meditation really taking off by helping to cultivate the factors of awakening, which is also something that harder concentration states do, on top of being great fuel for practicing enthusiastically with engagement, so... good !
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Yeah, and these are healing states, the buddha encouraged their cultivation, as do all mystical traditions of all religions, - as for myself, when I started getting experiences such as what sam describes, that was a great time in my life when my practice was really getting a foothold, it contributed to making my daily life so joyful and easy and light, and it led to meditation really taking off by helping to cultivate the factors of awakening, which is also something that harder concentration states do, on top of being great fuel for practicing enthusiastically with engagement, so... good !

That's a great description because that's what I feel, that my practice will take off from here. BTW, is it also an awakening experice? Not THE big awakening, but a small awakening?
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Hey sam, depends on what we mean by awakening... 

In terms of theory, - don't let the naming kill the vitality of the experiences by putting a label on it though ... - it's something you've kind of already been going through, basically a version of the A&P with more concentration and absorption and joy, which modalizes consciousness to a rapturous state which is called... second jhana ! etc....

It means that concentration, tranquility, joy, are all starting to shine on their own - that's very nice emoticon

I sometimes see this as a fire that starts to burn on its own, and for a while that's how I used to think of the cultivation of the factors of awakening. If you get the right balance and right intensity meditation becomes a bit like a fire burning which takes you along for a ride...
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 Great development Sam emoticon
Your efforts and consistence start to bare fruits. 
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10 min Concentration / 30 m in Noting AM Sit

The day begin with a nice 2 hour conversation with  my long-distance girlfriend Staci over 2 cups of coffee watching the foot of snow on the trees.

The Concentration practice dipped from excellent to very good, trying to keep focus on the Anapansatti Spot but I just had too much energy from the 2 coffees.

The Noting practice was all about Restlessness. Too much energy. I thought to myself "Does coffee make my Parkinson's symptoms worse?" because I had 30 minutes of feet tapping and twitching. tremors, hands moving by themselves, etc.
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Not quite PM but I wanted to do another sit now that my energy has evened out. This concentration meditation was back to excellent. The only thing I got to remember is not force the breath but let it be felt naturally at the Anapnanassati Spot. I had Calm going for me when I entered the Noting practice. I didn't have the wild Parkinson's symptoms from earlier. It was mostly a Calm sit with steady at-loud noting. Near the end I got a little bored, so I applied energy and Faith.
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This is nice on a larger scale, to have ridden through a big rapture experience and not made any of the usual mistakes of getting caught up with that in various ways, like (usually the most obvious one) trying to replicate it at the expense of what is actually going on now. So on your path, it was a BIG noting, "rapture!" and then the practice goes on. So the sit here characterized largely by calm and steadiness is perfect. You were low and grinding for a while, and got here, near the center line of steady unheroic practice, then you went high and effortless for a while, and again came here, near the centerline of calm and steady practice. That works the "muscle" of trust in the process, and gives you more of that capacity for overview, for perspective, knowing you've ridden through some extremes of meditative weather, and been able to simply keep practicing with faith and persistence and trust. Beautiful.
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This is nice on a larger scale, to have ridden through a big rapture experience and not made any of the usual mistakes of getting caught up with that in various ways, like (usually the most obvious one) trying to replicate it at the expense of what is actually going on now. So on your path, it was a BIG noting, "rapture!" and then the practice goes on. So the sit here characterized largely by calm and steadiness is perfect. You were low and grinding for a while, and got here, near the center line of steady unheroic practice, then you went high and effortless for a while, and again came here, near the centerline of calm and steady practice. That works the "muscle" of trust in the process, and gives you more of that capacity for overview, for perspective, knowing you've ridden through some extremes of meditative weather, and been able to simply keep practicing with faith and persistence and trust. Beautiful.

Thank you so much Tim. I haven't got caught up in it. Yes it was like noting a big "rapture" amd going on. And on the heels of a wek ago, saying that my practice didn't work.
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Sam, would you say there is a connection between the feelings of love, gratitude and sense of belonging you mentioned, and the more rapturous kind of experience you reported there ?
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Sam, would you say there is a connection between the feelings of love, gratitude and sense of belonging you mentioned, and the more rapturous kind of experience you reported there ?

Olivier, not sure I understand the questioon. Can you pleease restate?
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Can you identify some of the causes and conditions which converged to produce that new level of piti ? IME, feelings of love, of comfort, of gratitude, etc., wholesome states of mind, combined with a regular meditation practice which cultivates both concentration and discernment, will give rise to such states more reliably. That's kind of buddhism 101 actually emoticon lol
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Can you identify some of the causes and conditions which converged to produce that new level of piti ? IME, feelings of love, of comfort, of gratitude, etc., wholesome states of mind, combined with a regular meditation practice which cultivates both concentration and discernment, will give rise to such states more reliably. That's kind of buddhism 101 actually emoticon lol

Sure, one of the biggest causes was learning to breath correctly at the anapanassati spot, just below the nostrils and not inside the nostrils. Another was the addition of gratitude practice. Another was calm.
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Concentration practice was excellent. Ever since I learned to focus my breath on the Anapanasatti Spot it has been more focused and stronger. I had some tingling. I am going to ask Abre if I can dd 10 min to Concentration and decrease Noting by 10 because I am really getting results and good concentration leads to good noting. As I went into Noting, I was Calm and a feeling of Happiness. That calm lasted a long time but eventually a got a small amount of Reslessnessness to which I appliked Relaxation/Calm to. In the the midst of more calm, I did a Gratitude practice for all the fornnuate things I have like my life, this community and more. I then had Desire for a 2nd cup of coffee with Staci which I am doing now as I write this. I also comtemplated Faith in my practice.
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I was going to skip this session because I am way overcaffeninated. I had 2 coffees with my girlfriend Stacy but then I had a HUGE Popeye's Sweety Tea. I decided to do it as an experriment on my Parkinson's.

The concentration practice suffered a bit because of log thoughts and getting lost in my counts. With my noting practice, there was complete shaking, trembling, innability to sit still, fingers involuntarily playing with themselves. In other words, proof that very high amounts of caffiene bring on  my Parkinson 's symptoms stronger.  Now I'm going to be up all night studying Buddhist texts too emoticon The only good point was the high speed noting 3x. From now on, only 2 cups of coffee.
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I upped my Concentration to 20 minutes because Concentration is where it's at for me. I haven't got permission from Abre yet but I did it. The concentration was rocky at first and then got more settled. The noting was Calm and consistent noting with some Desire for a 2nd cup of coffee which I'm having now with my girlfriend Staci. There were a few bumps of minor Restlessness but not much.
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20 min Concentration because that's where it's at for me now emoticon. Concentration was excellent but didn't reach access concentration. I went into Noting where it was characterized by intense Desire for Popeyes Chicken. I forgot how to work skillfully with Desire so I literally argued with my mind on how I should not do it, back and forth. And its a good thing in the end because I had used the money for groceries and there was nothing for Popeyes. I also had a lot of wandering mind.
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As you keep mentioning that Popeyes I had to google it! 

emoticon fried in oil emoticon 

emoticon as you are supporting me stopping with my nicotine habit so am I supporting you staying away from that nasty stuff emoticon 

Popeyes 0-1 Groceries. Well done! 

I would choose organic coffee over that fried in oil stuff anytime! emoticon 
Sam Gentile, modified 28 Days ago.

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You're right Papa Che. I don't eat it often. I do prefer organic Bulletproof coffee. I'm having two cups with Staci right now. And I do spend most of my money on groceries. Its their Sweet Tea I like to stay up.
Tim Farrington, modified 28 Days ago.

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Papa Che, in the American south, where pretty much everything except grits and pie is fried in oil, Popeye's chicken is da bomm, very addictive. Sam, you're hero of sanity and budget discipline. Keep fighting the good fight, on the mat and off.
Sam Gentile, modified 28 Days ago.

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Yes and thanks Tim
Sam Gentile, modified 28 Days ago.

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20 min Concentration / 20 min Noting Sit

To start the day, I had a really good 2 and 1/2 hour conversation with my girlfriend Staci over 2 cups of organic Bulletproof coffee. We always talk for hours about  Awakening and interesting topics. Even though she is not Buddhist and doesn't even meditate, she is an Energy Healer and in touch with things.

When I sat down to do my Concentrationn practice, I found that I was distracted by Log thoughts about Staci! Lasting 20 minutess, I would estimate I hit about 60% of my count to 10 breath counts. Then there was noting. Explosive Energy! I was noting so fast I overwhelmed myself. However, I stayed mostly Calm. I did have one period where I felt it ran over into Restlessness but I countered that by deep brething/Calm.

I am really looking forward to meeting with Abre tomorrow. This is the first time we will get to talk about my Rapture/Jhana Level 2 experience and what she thinks and talking about ll things Concentration.
Sam Gentile, modified 28 Days ago.

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20 min Concentration / 20 min Noting PM Sit #2

OMG! It's happened again. I had a potential Jhana1 experience. The start to my concentration had been filled with discursive thoughts. As I concentrated deeper, I remember the moment. All of sudden thoughts dropped while at the same time sense perceptions dropped. It's like I stepped into an acoustical chamber. I totally relaxed into Bliss. This when on unttil the stupid timer interrupted it to signify time for noting. But I couldn't note. I was getting waves of bliss, while my body felt light. Just pure Joy, no worrries.

I am going to have to tell Abre this tomorrow!
Sam Gentile, modified 26 Days ago.

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I just met with Abre and with expertise and going over the experience in detail (plus another one yesterday) she believes it was a strong Arising & Passing event. My description focused on explosive words, like the nstrils suddenly getting twice as big. Then the intensity of the rapture, the bliss, the feeling that this was it. She took me through the Access To Insight description for A&P line for line and I totally match. I now have an unshakable faith.

It was also based on I had another experience yesterday:
OMG! It's happened again. I had a potential Jhana1 experience. The start to my concentration had been filled with discursive thoughts. As I concentrated deeper, I remember the moment. All of sudden thoughts dropped while at the same time sense perceptions dropped. It's like I stepped into an acoustical chamber. I totally relaxed into Bliss. This when on unttil the stupid timer interrupted it to signify time for noting. But I couldn't note. I was getting waves of bliss, while my body felt light. Just pure Joy, no worrries.

She said not to get attached to it for that would lead too a corruption of insight,
Sam Gentile, modified 27 Days ago.

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20 min Concentration / 20 min Noting Sit

Cocentration was excellent. Its all so easy and effortless now. Calm was there as I entered noting. Fast but no strong effort needed. All I can say about the noting was that I stayed in a period of Calm the whole sit.
Sam Gentile, modified 27 Days ago.

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20 min Concentration / 20 min Noting PM Sit #2

Concentration practice was excellent, so easy and effortless since the A&P, I hit almost 100% of my breath counts. Noting, I was noting very fast, 3x rate. I had a brief instance of floating. Mostly I dwelled in the Happiness I've had since the A&P. Some minor Parkinson's trembling
Martin, modified 27 Days ago.

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Sounds great. I'm glad to see your diligence bearing fruit!  
Sam Gentile, modified 26 Days ago.

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Martin
Sounds great. I'm glad to see your diligence bearing fruit!  


Thanks Martin. Its been 8 years to get to this pont!! I'm so happy!
Martin, modified 24 Days ago.

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Sam Gentile:
Thanks Martin. Its been 8 years to get to this pont!! I'm so happy!


Took me 15. You are pretty swift :-)

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