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Polly Ester’s practice log 17
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Polly Ester’s practice log 17
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https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/10949944
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/11357415
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/13048784
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/15741941
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/17395586
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/18209166
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/18817192
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/20234893
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/21249348
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/21757449
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22023649
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22642994
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/23060772
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/23734409
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/24005910
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/24294680
Middle path territory with lots of ups and downs. I won't log all my practice, as I find it too repetitive. I'm in Michael Taft's Reversing the Stack class, the first cohort, which has been going on since June 2020. The task is to spend as much time as possible in awake awareness while bringing the emptiness back into form. I practice sitting, standing, lying down and moving around, with varying success. An anchor in my practice is practicing together with one of my partners on a daily basis, alternating Zhan Zuang (still not sure how to spell it correctly, lol) with sitting. Another anchor is yoga, as my life tends to fall apart without it. Flowy spontaneous movement is a powerful doorway for me. I do fire kasina. Although I have gotten a lot out of Daniel's resources on the topic, I have chosen to follow Adi Vader's instructions insofar as I'm using the photographically realistic image of the flame (corresponding to third screen in Daniel's terminology) as the learning sign rather than the red dot. For me personally that feels like a more stable approach. Still in the process of cultivating the tranquil alertness that is needed, still in the process of learning how to let awareness take care of it rather than using the brute force of attention.
A new development is related to posture. I recently spent two hours in a floating tank, which made me aware of how I have habituated ways of carrying my body that may not be optimal. In the floating tank, the neck position was not at all what I had thought it would be. I'm now experimenting with trying to replicate that in my standing and sitting practices, which also needs to adjustment of the upper back. It's outside my comfort zone, but it does something amazing with energy or blood flow or the circulation of neurotransmittors, or whatever. It suddenly feels like there is so much more oxygen in the air I breathe, and sluggishness dissipates.
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/10949944
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/11357415
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/13048784
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/15741941
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/17395586
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/18209166
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/18817192
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/20234893
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/21249348
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/21757449
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22023649
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22642994
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/23060772
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/23734409
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/24005910
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/24294680
Middle path territory with lots of ups and downs. I won't log all my practice, as I find it too repetitive. I'm in Michael Taft's Reversing the Stack class, the first cohort, which has been going on since June 2020. The task is to spend as much time as possible in awake awareness while bringing the emptiness back into form. I practice sitting, standing, lying down and moving around, with varying success. An anchor in my practice is practicing together with one of my partners on a daily basis, alternating Zhan Zuang (still not sure how to spell it correctly, lol) with sitting. Another anchor is yoga, as my life tends to fall apart without it. Flowy spontaneous movement is a powerful doorway for me. I do fire kasina. Although I have gotten a lot out of Daniel's resources on the topic, I have chosen to follow Adi Vader's instructions insofar as I'm using the photographically realistic image of the flame (corresponding to third screen in Daniel's terminology) as the learning sign rather than the red dot. For me personally that feels like a more stable approach. Still in the process of cultivating the tranquil alertness that is needed, still in the process of learning how to let awareness take care of it rather than using the brute force of attention.
A new development is related to posture. I recently spent two hours in a floating tank, which made me aware of how I have habituated ways of carrying my body that may not be optimal. In the floating tank, the neck position was not at all what I had thought it would be. I'm now experimenting with trying to replicate that in my standing and sitting practices, which also needs to adjustment of the upper back. It's outside my comfort zone, but it does something amazing with energy or blood flow or the circulation of neurotransmittors, or whatever. It suddenly feels like there is so much more oxygen in the air I breathe, and sluggishness dissipates.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Months ago at 1/24/23 5:17 AM
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Hm. Now I seem to have found a way to lie down on my back that approximates the floating tank position of the spine enough too take away the problem I have had for a long time now with energy blockages and nerve pain in my feet. To think that the foot problem was actually a neck problem - curious! Maybe this will also lead to better sleep and less exhaustion.
George S, modified 2 Months ago at 1/24/23 6:56 PM
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I had a period recently where I was working out some throat tension. I found lying flat on my back without a pillow helped a lot.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Months ago at 1/24/23 7:14 PM
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Cool. Thanks for sharing! I need to even move the top mattress a little bit so that a small part of the head comes outside it. Not much really, but that small change works miracles!
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Months ago at 1/25/23 2:28 PM
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I had a semi-psychedelic experience from being sleep deprived today. On the threshold between sleep and wakefulness, reality was in a state somewhere between emptiness and form. It was all sort of a volotile fluid that was morphing. Here and there, on a regular basis, some of the shimmering rainbowy fluid would contract and assume some shape that almost came into being as something distinct, before it was reabsorbed into the whole.
Earlier, before I went to sleep (late in the morning after having talked to a dharma friend for hours after the RtS class), I had three unknowing events where the magnificent silence fell onto me and merged with my entire existence. Sort of like a collapse into the void, or the void collapsing into me, or reality just turning inside out to reveal the void inside it. This happened in the midst of interaction with my pawo.
Today with all the sleep deprivation, the standing practice felt very raw and defenseless. There was panic in my body, but I was okay with it. I remembered that this is what the practice is about, so I focused on cultivating crisp awareness of the sensations of it. The fire kasina following it turned out to be less fire kasina as those sensations continued to be in the foreground.
Earlier, before I went to sleep (late in the morning after having talked to a dharma friend for hours after the RtS class), I had three unknowing events where the magnificent silence fell onto me and merged with my entire existence. Sort of like a collapse into the void, or the void collapsing into me, or reality just turning inside out to reveal the void inside it. This happened in the midst of interaction with my pawo.
Today with all the sleep deprivation, the standing practice felt very raw and defenseless. There was panic in my body, but I was okay with it. I remembered that this is what the practice is about, so I focused on cultivating crisp awareness of the sensations of it. The fire kasina following it turned out to be less fire kasina as those sensations continued to be in the foreground.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 2 Months ago at 1/26/23 6:34 PM
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About an hour of reclining meditation at a time when it wanted to happen. Started with tuning into all the different sense modalities, one at a time. Then let choiceless awareness happen. The energy field was alive and felt volatile, like I was dissolving into atoms. Concepts fell away. There were three distinct flashes, like in the impermanence door, but I didn't identify any cessation. Then there was a moment of either recalling one of the flashes as an image or having a new image appear for a brief while. It looked like a colored illustration from a children's book, featuring a penguin with a red bowtie. The environment was not snow and ice, but had more colors in it, maybe like a park with trees or something; I can't recall any specifics from it. Then there was a moment of "Wtf, did I just see a penguin?" and the recognition that I did in fact, but now there was murk there instead.
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45 minutes of sitting with my pawo, doing fire kasina. The learning sign was rather fuzzy. I was tired. It was around midnight and my sleep hasn't been the best lately, so that was to be expected. I made it through the sit without spacing out or forgetting my focus. Some thoughts popped up during the sit, though, so I wasn't entirely undistracted.
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45 minutes of sitting with my pawo, doing fire kasina. The learning sign was rather fuzzy. I was tired. It was around midnight and my sleep hasn't been the best lately, so that was to be expected. I made it through the sit without spacing out or forgetting my focus. Some thoughts popped up during the sit, though, so I wasn't entirely undistracted.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 1/29/23 9:38 AM
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I started the day with a much needed thorough yoga session. The standing practice with my pawo got energies moving around, almost (but not) too much. Applying the lessons from the floating tank makes it less strenous for the shoulders. Instead I use my back muscles between the shoulder blades more. That seems to open up for more of a free flow. In the fire kasina, the photographically realistic image projected onto the murk was brighter and sharper than has been the case the last few days. It also started out more bouncy. I relaxed into the knowing of the flame instead of letting myself bounce around with it, and after a while the bouncing decreased while maintaining brightness and clarity. There was high-pitched nada sound. Some time later, a black disc covered the image. Sometimes it would shine through it. It went back and forth like that for a while. Then brightness and clarity increased again. There was alertness and curiosity throughout the practice, along with a sense of effortless relaxing into it, except for a brief while when I tried to actively increase the brightness of the image. I noticed how that caused subtle agitation, and so I let go of it. I played with sort of knowing the brightness that was already there on its own, and that did boost the brightness just a little bit. Still not stable, though. It will get there.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 2/1/23 3:25 PM
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Today in the balloon posture there was a tangible sense of heat/warmth in my heart region. It wasn't uncomfortable in any way.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 2/2/23 10:21 AM
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Today in the initial standing practice, early on, there was this very tangible sense of reality turning inside out.
I tried to do fire kasina with a candle outside in the sunlight with white snow all around me reflecting the sunlight. The flame flickered like crazy and the snow outshone it. Getting the flame image to appear in the murk wasn't very easy, but I did appear at times. Also, there was a sense of a space in the mind where it would have been, so I focused on that. When I continued inside, the flame image was super bright, so doing the practice outside was like heavy lifting that made regular lifting easier in comparison.
I tried to do fire kasina with a candle outside in the sunlight with white snow all around me reflecting the sunlight. The flame flickered like crazy and the snow outshone it. Getting the flame image to appear in the murk wasn't very easy, but I did appear at times. Also, there was a sense of a space in the mind where it would have been, so I focused on that. When I continued inside, the flame image was super bright, so doing the practice outside was like heavy lifting that made regular lifting easier in comparison.
Adi Vader, modified 1 Month ago at 2/2/23 11:04 AM
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If the nimitta gets relatively more stable, and brighter, the way you described here, one possibility to explore is to take 'brightness' as the object. Brightness of the mental image itself.
If it becomes the whole of conscious experience, as in no body, no senses, no mental objects, no noting/noticing/knowing mind ..... nothing exists but the nimitta, if this happens even briefly, then the mind will remember it.
Because the mind remembers it, it will find it relatively easily. This is the tejo krtsna/ fire kasina.
Initially it may be scary. For two reasons -
1. It is absolutely mind blowing. Think 'burning bush' on mountain top. Or the prophet in the desert.
2. It is a Brute Force Anatta insight opportunity. Because the mind and the object will now be 'one'. All possibility of self conceptualization is swept off the table
The mind may recoil back in horror. But it wont be 'my horror'.
If it becomes the whole of conscious experience, as in no body, no senses, no mental objects, no noting/noticing/knowing mind ..... nothing exists but the nimitta, if this happens even briefly, then the mind will remember it.
Because the mind remembers it, it will find it relatively easily. This is the tejo krtsna/ fire kasina.
Initially it may be scary. For two reasons -
1. It is absolutely mind blowing. Think 'burning bush' on mountain top. Or the prophet in the desert.
2. It is a Brute Force Anatta insight opportunity. Because the mind and the object will now be 'one'. All possibility of self conceptualization is swept off the table
The mind may recoil back in horror. But it wont be 'my horror'.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 2/3/23 9:40 AM
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Thankyou! Your advice is always welcome.
I can relate to what you are describing, because I have had that (or something very similar) happen before when the nada sound distilled itself into light. Truly mindblowing. It's not quite there yet with the fire kasina. It gets really bright, but it fades quickly, and it doesn't fill my entire mind. Not yet. I try to take brightness of the mind as my object, but it seems premature. I will keep trying, but I probably need to keep working on the basic more before it will work.
I can relate to what you are describing, because I have had that (or something very similar) happen before when the nada sound distilled itself into light. Truly mindblowing. It's not quite there yet with the fire kasina. It gets really bright, but it fades quickly, and it doesn't fill my entire mind. Not yet. I try to take brightness of the mind as my object, but it seems premature. I will keep trying, but I probably need to keep working on the basic more before it will work.
Aeon , modified 1 Month ago at 2/4/23 6:10 AM
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Might I suggest you a few resources to tinker with, for the neck issue you describe?
1) The single most effective thing I have discovered to fix my kyphosis/"nerd neck" posture, is zenith rotations. Learn them from Tom Morrison on youtube. Key point is using strength to inhale while twisting, and thereby resistance-stretching the fascia in the upper back and rib area.
2) The alexander technique, if it jives with you, to "find" easy postural alignment in daily life. Simply put, imagine a string pulling the top back of your head straight up, and slightly forward. Feel your lats spread out, and the downstream effects of postural alignment. This should feel easy, even if foreign at first.
3) If your neck tends to tense up, there is a chance you lack resting tension in your midsection, particularly the transversus abdominis (TVA), "corset muscles". Perhaps also inactive glute muscles. This is easily tested by sitting or standing, then pull your navel toward your spine, notice if that makes your neck feel better.
And by the way, that effect you describe with breathing better is science based. I heard a strength coach named Pavel Tsatsouline recommend it to endurance athletes on the Tim Ferriss podcast. He said it can increase breathing capacity up to 25% if you correct a kyphotic posture.
1) The single most effective thing I have discovered to fix my kyphosis/"nerd neck" posture, is zenith rotations. Learn them from Tom Morrison on youtube. Key point is using strength to inhale while twisting, and thereby resistance-stretching the fascia in the upper back and rib area.
2) The alexander technique, if it jives with you, to "find" easy postural alignment in daily life. Simply put, imagine a string pulling the top back of your head straight up, and slightly forward. Feel your lats spread out, and the downstream effects of postural alignment. This should feel easy, even if foreign at first.
3) If your neck tends to tense up, there is a chance you lack resting tension in your midsection, particularly the transversus abdominis (TVA), "corset muscles". Perhaps also inactive glute muscles. This is easily tested by sitting or standing, then pull your navel toward your spine, notice if that makes your neck feel better.
And by the way, that effect you describe with breathing better is science based. I heard a strength coach named Pavel Tsatsouline recommend it to endurance athletes on the Tim Ferriss podcast. He said it can increase breathing capacity up to 25% if you correct a kyphotic posture.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 2/11/23 5:35 PM
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Hi Aeon!
How kind of you — thankyou! I'm sorry for taking so long to reply. It's not because of lack of appreciation. This sounds like awesome resources for many of us. I will look into them when I have the executive functioning for it. It sounds like they could be really helpful.
The weird thing is that I really thought my nerd neck was gone. My posture had already improved a lot. I didn't have any neck issues while practicing. The issue was in my feet. And yet, adjusting my neck — and thereby also using the muscles between my shoulder blades more and the small shoulder muscles less — has taken away the main part of that issue. So yeah, the fascia may very well be involved. I already suspected that, but I did not suspect that the issue originated so far from the feet.
I actually have very well trained and active corset muscles in the abdomen and on the sides, so I don't think that's the issue. I recognize what you are saying from before I became such a yoga freak, though. Back then I had that exact issue.
How kind of you — thankyou! I'm sorry for taking so long to reply. It's not because of lack of appreciation. This sounds like awesome resources for many of us. I will look into them when I have the executive functioning for it. It sounds like they could be really helpful.
The weird thing is that I really thought my nerd neck was gone. My posture had already improved a lot. I didn't have any neck issues while practicing. The issue was in my feet. And yet, adjusting my neck — and thereby also using the muscles between my shoulder blades more and the small shoulder muscles less — has taken away the main part of that issue. So yeah, the fascia may very well be involved. I already suspected that, but I did not suspect that the issue originated so far from the feet.
I actually have very well trained and active corset muscles in the abdomen and on the sides, so I don't think that's the issue. I recognize what you are saying from before I became such a yoga freak, though. Back then I had that exact issue.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 1 Month ago at 2/11/23 6:12 PM
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I haven't reported in a while, but I have been practicing.
In the fire kasina, I'm working on unhooking. A while back I received advice from Adi (slightly edited from interaction below).
After two weeks — bring in an anatta investigation flavour to the fire kasina practice.
Broadly there are three things that 'the mind' is appropriating
1. The sankhara of furnishing the learning sign
2. The samjna or perception of the learning sign
3. The vijnana or consciousness of the entire process
'I' the yogi who is doing firekasina is like a post-it note stuck on top of one of these 3 things or a combination thereof.
While doing the firekasina can you unhook the post-it note.
To figure out how to unhook read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/lun8bp/vipassana_samatha_vipashyana_within_the_jhanas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Read the section on prelim practice on mantra meditation
Preliminary exercise - mantra meditation
Thus continuing with fire kasina develop it further. Make it more challenging. This will induce dukkha nanas, so be prepared to handle it. The way DN will present will be .... there is dukkha. Not ... I am feeling dukkha.
An anatta focused practice does that. That is its power
Me: Makes sense. Right now I mainly notice how the energetics shift and how it’s a process that just unfolds on its own.
Adi: Yeah, that process quality should ideally deepen. Any sticky grip the mind has ... 'this dukkha is mine'
This should get loosened.
I know what the unhooking is. Funny thing is that I came up with almost the exact same practice for that during the summer of 2021, when the practice was going really well. I used it on earworms, which were usually but not always mantras, so it was longer chunks. I also played with hearing comments from different people including myself. I noticed how subvocalizing was always involved when I had the sense of being the doer of the mental sound. I played with relaxing that. And for a while that went really well. Right now I’m in a phase when it’s harder to relax the subvocalizing. However, I don’t need to limit the experience to what goes on from that narrow perspective, because that’s the infamous kazoo player from MCTB2, or the sock puppet, as Michael calls it. I don’t need to get rid of the kazoo player/sock puppet, as I understand it. I can just zoom out from it. It’s not the sock puppet that experiences it all. It just experiences itself, whereas the fuller symphony is also aware on its own.
Applying this to vision seems in some ways easier and in some ways trickier. I can rather easily get the sense of the seeing occurring not inside my head but where the flame image is, which is in awareness, and awareness doesn’t really make a difference between inside and outside my head. However, I still repeatedly fall into the trap of using attention to focus on the flame with my eyes open and then look for it in the murk in a way that objectifies it. I notice that because it makes the learning sign bounce and makes my eyes struggle with re-finding focus every time I open my eyes. And when that happens, the effort makes me tired. So I apply determination and curiosity to be more alert while also working on relaxing that focus by just letting the flame know where it is. And when that works, the flame image stays in the same space regardless of whether or not I have my eyes opened or closed. But it still fades.
In the fire kasina, I'm working on unhooking. A while back I received advice from Adi (slightly edited from interaction below).
After two weeks — bring in an anatta investigation flavour to the fire kasina practice.
Broadly there are three things that 'the mind' is appropriating
1. The sankhara of furnishing the learning sign
2. The samjna or perception of the learning sign
3. The vijnana or consciousness of the entire process
'I' the yogi who is doing firekasina is like a post-it note stuck on top of one of these 3 things or a combination thereof.
While doing the firekasina can you unhook the post-it note.
To figure out how to unhook read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/lun8bp/vipassana_samatha_vipashyana_within_the_jhanas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Read the section on prelim practice on mantra meditation
Preliminary exercise - mantra meditation
- This exercise is required to create a set up that can be replicated inside the jhanas. You want to be very mindful of what you yourself are doing here so that you remember to do it and avoid discursively searching for what to do within an absorption thus interrupting the flow
- You are doing this exercise specifically to learn what I like to call 'unhooking'
- Choose a mantra. A monosyllable preferably one that doesn't give you 'spiritual feels'. I use my own name - Adi ... Adi ... Adi. If you choose something spiritual sounding, it will most likely be an obstruction - an additional problem to deal with
- Get really really concentrated. Attention focused on the task at hand, awareness far and wide and brilliantly powerful
- While doing the exercise notice very carefully that there are three distinct things that are happening. The act of creation of a mental sound, the act of hearing of a mental sound, the act of being aware that all of this strange circus is going on
- Get deeply interested in the act of creation of the mental sound. Raise the volume, lower the volume, make it shrill, make it pleasing, use your dad's voice, use your mom's voice, use your own voice
- Strongly intend that the act of creation of this sound continue without your running interference and just simply unhook your sense of self from the act of creation of this sound like plucking out a post it note and sticking it on to the act of hearing this sound. If you are unable to do this, then some good preparatory practice will be the 'softening into' techniques of MIDL. You 'soften into' the claim of ownership you have over the act of creation of the sound until you can 'unhook'. The creator of the MIDL system most probably did not intend his tech to be used in this way and thus the techniques are taught in a totally different way. But once learnt they port wonderfully to this exercise
- Stay with the act of hearing this sound for a while and then unhook the sense of self from the act of hearing this sound. The post it note has nowhere else to go so it simply goes and sticks itself to the general awareness of everything including this strange mantra gymnastics
- The Uber unhooking involves unhooking from the sense of being the one who is aware - this in and by itself is very challenging and you may not be able to do this ... yet! and that's a project for some other day perhaps
- Do the hook and unhook many many times till its understood that the hooking is habitual and the unhooking requires some dexterity and you have the confidence that you have that dexterity
- This 'unhooking' is the skill and the muscle memory we want to carry into the absorptions
- You need to do all of the above while intentionally doing vipashyana and not pashyana. Or through doing such activity vipashyana may happen. Try and continue it - either way is fine
- I have it from a reliable source that such practice comes in some secret ceremony in some pith instructions of some tradition - If you believe such things ... well it can be self limiting - Simply set all that superstition aside
Thus continuing with fire kasina develop it further. Make it more challenging. This will induce dukkha nanas, so be prepared to handle it. The way DN will present will be .... there is dukkha. Not ... I am feeling dukkha.
An anatta focused practice does that. That is its power
Me: Makes sense. Right now I mainly notice how the energetics shift and how it’s a process that just unfolds on its own.
Adi: Yeah, that process quality should ideally deepen. Any sticky grip the mind has ... 'this dukkha is mine'
This should get loosened.
I know what the unhooking is. Funny thing is that I came up with almost the exact same practice for that during the summer of 2021, when the practice was going really well. I used it on earworms, which were usually but not always mantras, so it was longer chunks. I also played with hearing comments from different people including myself. I noticed how subvocalizing was always involved when I had the sense of being the doer of the mental sound. I played with relaxing that. And for a while that went really well. Right now I’m in a phase when it’s harder to relax the subvocalizing. However, I don’t need to limit the experience to what goes on from that narrow perspective, because that’s the infamous kazoo player from MCTB2, or the sock puppet, as Michael calls it. I don’t need to get rid of the kazoo player/sock puppet, as I understand it. I can just zoom out from it. It’s not the sock puppet that experiences it all. It just experiences itself, whereas the fuller symphony is also aware on its own.
Applying this to vision seems in some ways easier and in some ways trickier. I can rather easily get the sense of the seeing occurring not inside my head but where the flame image is, which is in awareness, and awareness doesn’t really make a difference between inside and outside my head. However, I still repeatedly fall into the trap of using attention to focus on the flame with my eyes open and then look for it in the murk in a way that objectifies it. I notice that because it makes the learning sign bounce and makes my eyes struggle with re-finding focus every time I open my eyes. And when that happens, the effort makes me tired. So I apply determination and curiosity to be more alert while also working on relaxing that focus by just letting the flame know where it is. And when that works, the flame image stays in the same space regardless of whether or not I have my eyes opened or closed. But it still fades.
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Another development is both positive and negative at the same time. I'm much less bothered by withdrawal symptoms from antidepressants as the symptoms tend to feel like energy flow instead of like wanting to crawl out of my skin. That's awesome in a way, but it also makes me forget to take my medz. That has happened many times lately, which is not good. I think it stresses out my mammalian body, because after like 12 hours, I'm in pretty strong withdrawal. It still feels like energy flow, but by then I notice that meditation doesn't calm it down, and instead it's getting somewhat agitated. And when I take the medicines, I notice the energy flow that results from that, and it disturbs my sleep. It doesn't feel bad per se, but it's an uneven flow, not a harmonious one. Being aware of it is just as nice as being aware of a harmonious one, but it's probably the case that the latter is more beneficial for the body, so I need to learn to pick up the new subtler cues faster.
In a similar vein, I seem to be less dependent on yoga for my sense of wellbeing. That makes me less prone to do yoga as regularly. However, I still function better with yoga than without it, and yoga is still important for my health. Yet, I'm more okay with not functioning properly and with having health issues. Also, the health issues really seem to be milder too. So I need to find a drive that is less rooted in suffering. That shouldn't be so hard, because I actually love yoga, but apparently suffering was still the kick that would get me started every day. And now it's not. What a peculiar problem!
In a similar vein, I seem to be less dependent on yoga for my sense of wellbeing. That makes me less prone to do yoga as regularly. However, I still function better with yoga than without it, and yoga is still important for my health. Yet, I'm more okay with not functioning properly and with having health issues. Also, the health issues really seem to be milder too. So I need to find a drive that is less rooted in suffering. That shouldn't be so hard, because I actually love yoga, but apparently suffering was still the kick that would get me started every day. And now it's not. What a peculiar problem!
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I might have misunderstood what you were saying about neck tension. My executive function is pretty hit and miss these days, as I try to quit caffeine.
Neck pain really is an ungodly affliction. I have had it come from tense calf muscles, tense lats, pecs, triceps, biceps, quads.
"Where you think it is, it aint."
Neck pain really is an ungodly affliction. I have had it come from tense calf muscles, tense lats, pecs, triceps, biceps, quads.
"Where you think it is, it aint."
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For me it's just like that but the opposite. Any tension anywhere gives me terrible nerve pain in my feet.
Best of luck with quitting caffeine! I have the opposite problem there too, lol. The other day I ate a small amount of cardemom, which apparently contains some caffeine, which i didn't know. It gave me the headache from hell for more than 24 hours. Caffeine is like poison for me. I would love to be able to tolerate some.
Best of luck with quitting caffeine! I have the opposite problem there too, lol. The other day I ate a small amount of cardemom, which apparently contains some caffeine, which i didn't know. It gave me the headache from hell for more than 24 hours. Caffeine is like poison for me. I would love to be able to tolerate some.
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Today I started to get into absorption territory with the fire kasina. There was the kind of lightness and unsolidness that usually precedes a relatively hard jhana for me. Loud nada sound, champagne bubbles, lots of brightness.
After the standing practice and the fire kasina I lay down to surrender into what wanted to happen. There was a lot of energetic stuff happening, in a gentle and free-flowing way. There were some energetic releases with knots getting disentangled. Eventually the fuel sort of ran out, and I ended the session. I felt quite relaxed.
After the standing practice and the fire kasina I lay down to surrender into what wanted to happen. There was a lot of energetic stuff happening, in a gentle and free-flowing way. There were some energetic releases with knots getting disentangled. Eventually the fuel sort of ran out, and I ended the session. I felt quite relaxed.
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Today efter two different sits of fire kasina, I basically had smell and taste hallucinations. I could smell and taste my mom's homemade butterscotch, very vividly. It tasted like the first time I tasted it. It has never been quite as tasty again. I had forgotten it. The first time it came up, it seemed very random. The second time, I realized that it's associated with the scent of putting out a candle. It just hasn't popped up in such a visceral way before, but remained subconscious,
I continue to have issues with forgetting my antidepressant. Today it was rather the case that I missed that specific pill from the pile of pills and supplements that I had put together before taking them. I'm so used to relying on sensations to tell me what I need to do, as my executive functioning is so weak. I'm still getting sensations, lots of them, but they have stopped feeling bad. I just noticed this amazing flow of energy, and I sat with it, not to get rid of it, but to embrace it. Then my pawo called, and as I reached out for the tablet, I saw the pill lying next to it and realized that the energy flow was actually withdrawal symptoms, and so I took the pill. The Recognition Sutras mention this happening: "when we are in touch with our essence-nature, any and every cognition can be a source of joy, wonder, and fascination—camatkāra" (p. 210 in the pdf version).
This morning was the last class of round 5 of the RtS class, class number 120. In three weeks we will start round 6.
I continue to have issues with forgetting my antidepressant. Today it was rather the case that I missed that specific pill from the pile of pills and supplements that I had put together before taking them. I'm so used to relying on sensations to tell me what I need to do, as my executive functioning is so weak. I'm still getting sensations, lots of them, but they have stopped feeling bad. I just noticed this amazing flow of energy, and I sat with it, not to get rid of it, but to embrace it. Then my pawo called, and as I reached out for the tablet, I saw the pill lying next to it and realized that the energy flow was actually withdrawal symptoms, and so I took the pill. The Recognition Sutras mention this happening: "when we are in touch with our essence-nature, any and every cognition can be a source of joy, wonder, and fascination—camatkāra" (p. 210 in the pdf version).
This morning was the last class of round 5 of the RtS class, class number 120. In three weeks we will start round 6.
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Log February 15th, 2023
Wu chi 15 minutes:
Loud high-pitched nada sound and a sense of spaciousness.
Fire kasina 25 minutes:
Almost no bouncing around of the photorealistic flame image. It didn’t flicker much either, but it was relatively pale. A sense of lightness and effortlessness. Some more energy needs to be put into it, without loosing that light touch.
Balloon posture 10 minutes:
Amazingly comfortable thanks to what I learned from the floating tank. I now use the large muscle between the shoulder blades instead of the tiny weak muscles in the shoulders. Soooo spacious. So relaxed! (Yesterday I was so relaxed in the balloon posture that I could have fallen asleep.) Smooth foamy energy feel.
Fire kasina 40 minutes:
Still very little bouncing, and now brighter and sharper. Pleasantly effortless with a sense of lightness. Then I got distracted for a while, albeit in a wholesome way; I got occupied with metta-like thoughts about practicioners I have become acquainted with. Then back to the task. Then I combined the task with playing with tuning into the four different formed jhanas, one at a time, over and over again. I didn’t get into them for real, but I could sense the jhanic factors, and the tuning improved over time. Thanks Martin for that piece of advise (in Paul’s thread)! It resonated and rang true, so I think I will continue to play with that.
After a while, the piti I summoned was really strong, and it took away some pain that I’d had in my back (I ran out of L-lysine a few days ago, so I’m surprised I have so little pain). I was about to transform some mild lower back (side) pain to piti as well, but the bell rang and it was time to dedicate our practice. Anyway, I was okay just sitting with that pain. It didn’t really differ from piti when I watched it closer.
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Note from the late afternoon/early evening when I was walking to my job, uphills in mud and in a hurry: ”Wow. I just found myself being super contracted - and I also found that I didn’t mind. How freeing! And when I rejoiced in that, the contraction dissolved into piti and then spaciousness. New contractions came, and I didn’t mind, so they didn’t stick.”
I was able to do a high-pulse training activity without getting sick thanks to ujjayi breath. They really should teach that in school! It would have saved me so much pain. I played floorball for the first time since the Swedish equivalent to highschool. I was on it like a pitbull. I suck at aiming and dribbling (and yet I actually scored two goals!) but I ace at taking the ball from others. I can see exactly when they drop their focus just a little bit, and then I strike. I think I can consider myself cured from the weird version of chronic fatigue that I used to have which made me super-sick everytime I strained myself physically even the slightest bit. The cure: yogic breathing.
I’m back on track with my yoga.
Wu chi 15 minutes:
Loud high-pitched nada sound and a sense of spaciousness.
Fire kasina 25 minutes:
Almost no bouncing around of the photorealistic flame image. It didn’t flicker much either, but it was relatively pale. A sense of lightness and effortlessness. Some more energy needs to be put into it, without loosing that light touch.
Balloon posture 10 minutes:
Amazingly comfortable thanks to what I learned from the floating tank. I now use the large muscle between the shoulder blades instead of the tiny weak muscles in the shoulders. Soooo spacious. So relaxed! (Yesterday I was so relaxed in the balloon posture that I could have fallen asleep.) Smooth foamy energy feel.
Fire kasina 40 minutes:
Still very little bouncing, and now brighter and sharper. Pleasantly effortless with a sense of lightness. Then I got distracted for a while, albeit in a wholesome way; I got occupied with metta-like thoughts about practicioners I have become acquainted with. Then back to the task. Then I combined the task with playing with tuning into the four different formed jhanas, one at a time, over and over again. I didn’t get into them for real, but I could sense the jhanic factors, and the tuning improved over time. Thanks Martin for that piece of advise (in Paul’s thread)! It resonated and rang true, so I think I will continue to play with that.
After a while, the piti I summoned was really strong, and it took away some pain that I’d had in my back (I ran out of L-lysine a few days ago, so I’m surprised I have so little pain). I was about to transform some mild lower back (side) pain to piti as well, but the bell rang and it was time to dedicate our practice. Anyway, I was okay just sitting with that pain. It didn’t really differ from piti when I watched it closer.
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Note from the late afternoon/early evening when I was walking to my job, uphills in mud and in a hurry: ”Wow. I just found myself being super contracted - and I also found that I didn’t mind. How freeing! And when I rejoiced in that, the contraction dissolved into piti and then spaciousness. New contractions came, and I didn’t mind, so they didn’t stick.”
I was able to do a high-pulse training activity without getting sick thanks to ujjayi breath. They really should teach that in school! It would have saved me so much pain. I played floorball for the first time since the Swedish equivalent to highschool. I was on it like a pitbull. I suck at aiming and dribbling (and yet I actually scored two goals!) but I ace at taking the ball from others. I can see exactly when they drop their focus just a little bit, and then I strike. I think I can consider myself cured from the weird version of chronic fatigue that I used to have which made me super-sick everytime I strained myself physically even the slightest bit. The cure: yogic breathing.
I’m back on track with my yoga.
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Yesterday: 40 minutes fire kasina, then a couple of hours or reclining unclenching+disentangling. No dullness. Some energy surge kriyas that made my bent legs jerk upwards and then back down. Some head popping.
Today:
15 min wu chi
40 min fire kasina
10 min balloon posture
25 min fire kasina
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40 min fire kasina
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about 1 h 15 min reclining disentangling with visualization of a candle flame while over and over dissolving energetic knots between and around and behind my eyes.
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During interaction inbetween sessions: playing with the subtle differences in stance that makes the difference between holding "the view" and getting drawn out of it.
Lots of energy stuff. Loud high-pitched nada sound, the sense of electric crackling and popping around my head, energetic shifts within my body (both grosser and subtler). In the fire kasina, all the sits had some bouncing of the learning sign to begin with but then it got relatively more stable. No dullness. Distracting discursive thoughts at times, but the learning sign kept appearing. I noticed how I let myself be distracted and found that it was a waste of such a good opportunity, so I made efforts to drop everything but the learning sign. That made it brighter and more stable. It's silly how the thoughts give birth to a self that thinks that it has to be busy with those thoughts, just because they can, because the habit is so strong.
Today:
15 min wu chi
40 min fire kasina
10 min balloon posture
25 min fire kasina
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40 min fire kasina
-
about 1 h 15 min reclining disentangling with visualization of a candle flame while over and over dissolving energetic knots between and around and behind my eyes.
-
During interaction inbetween sessions: playing with the subtle differences in stance that makes the difference between holding "the view" and getting drawn out of it.
Lots of energy stuff. Loud high-pitched nada sound, the sense of electric crackling and popping around my head, energetic shifts within my body (both grosser and subtler). In the fire kasina, all the sits had some bouncing of the learning sign to begin with but then it got relatively more stable. No dullness. Distracting discursive thoughts at times, but the learning sign kept appearing. I noticed how I let myself be distracted and found that it was a waste of such a good opportunity, so I made efforts to drop everything but the learning sign. That made it brighter and more stable. It's silly how the thoughts give birth to a self that thinks that it has to be busy with those thoughts, just because they can, because the habit is so strong.
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I haven't prioritized logging here for a while because I have regular access to feedback from live connections, both from my pawo and from dharma friends, and I'm too lazy to repeat myself. Now I have so much to summarize that I'm not sure how to go about it.
I have had a couple of very energetic phases, and a few dips when the fuel ran out. I need to balance riding the energy with fueling it, and sometimes it's hard to be in synch with it. It is obvious, though, how the mechanisms work. The more I do yoga and structured sits, the more happens on its own when I recline to relax.
At times when I have been able to increase the amount of practice, clarity has peaked. At times when daily life challenges have made it hard to squeeze in more than one sit, clarity has been lower.
In the fire kasina, I'm playing with a synesthetic approach to the nimitta. I think the photorealistic image of the flame is just part of it. There is also the nada sound. My hypothesis is that since I'm still not mainly visually wired, I might need to think of brightness as happening in more than one sense gate to begin with, and then eventually it will all distill itself into light. Also, focusing on the nada sound helps with distractions. Sometimes I get into a very sweet flow with it, with very little effort, and that gives me a taste of what is to come.
Michael Taft has us doing shamatha on stillness, silence and spaciousness (comes from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche) and then shamatha without an object while also doing Vipashyana on thoughts, not missing a single mind moment. It's good to revisit Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche's three doors practice. I had almost forgotten how profound that can be. As for the thoughts, it is fascinating how many layers of processing and/or pre-processing there is before a thought is fully formed. Not that I always manage to capture that; this ADHD brain is quite messy at times.
I had a weird dream a while back which was mainly lucid. I heard the alarm and was trying to wake up because I had a morning meeting, but I kept waking up in the wrong room. I must have gone through 30 something rooms before I found consensus reality. At first I was confused, because I thought I really woke up but didn't know where I was. I hypothesized that I was at a friend's place, but then realized that I was still asleep. I went through a few similar episodes, in which I even told people about the previous rooms I had woken up in, but then I grew more and more alert to the fact that I was still dreaming and started dissing the rooms immediately, like "nope — next!" over and over again. I knew I was in sleep paralysis but made an effort to open my eyes. When an image of my wall images flashed through, I knew that was the right room and that the ones following that were not. Eventually I managed to wake up for real. It would have been fun to explore the lucidity more, but I had to work. Michael Taft commented that it was a bardo moment.
I have also played with astral projection/OBE. I have managed to almost leave my body at will but snapped back again as if there were a rubber band connected to my physical body. I have also glided into bright light a few times, in one of those sessions. I was intending to connect with a specific person. Funny thing is that at the same time (I can't say whether it was the exact same time, but at least roughly) I suddenly popped up in a dream of his, just passing through in an elevator.
I haven't done much standing practice lately for some reason, but when I do it, it adds something.
I had a trauma triggered at work a while back, from a smell. I can be very sensitive to smells, but this was unproportional. I was trembling for three hours after leaving the smell. It made me think that it might have reminded me of when we found my dad's body after he had committed suicide. So I did some talking to my subconscious, assuring it that it was okay for it to come up. And so it did, in a sit. It came in brief spurts, a little at a time. I could feel and sense what had been shut out due to shock at the time. I cried, but it was tears of relief. Later that night I welcomed it again. That time it came up as visceral agitation of the body, mainly in the hip area. I worked it through with support via video chat. I was basically crawling around on my yoga mat, letting my body do what it needed to do. My body invented its own movement and sound therapy (I later learned from a dharma friend who is an expert on such things that what I did is legit practice, but I had no idea at the time). When I told Michael about it, he said it was the tantric way.
In daily life I find it useful to be aware of whenever the pain body shows up (as taught both by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche and Eckhart Tolle) and to soften into it, seeing it for what it is. Even the most stubborn versions of the pain body will admit that even though "what I'm concerned about is serious shit", tensing the body does not help a bit. And it's remarkable how a relaxed body suddenly has access to much more constructive thoughts, or even space between them.
I have had a couple of very energetic phases, and a few dips when the fuel ran out. I need to balance riding the energy with fueling it, and sometimes it's hard to be in synch with it. It is obvious, though, how the mechanisms work. The more I do yoga and structured sits, the more happens on its own when I recline to relax.
At times when I have been able to increase the amount of practice, clarity has peaked. At times when daily life challenges have made it hard to squeeze in more than one sit, clarity has been lower.
In the fire kasina, I'm playing with a synesthetic approach to the nimitta. I think the photorealistic image of the flame is just part of it. There is also the nada sound. My hypothesis is that since I'm still not mainly visually wired, I might need to think of brightness as happening in more than one sense gate to begin with, and then eventually it will all distill itself into light. Also, focusing on the nada sound helps with distractions. Sometimes I get into a very sweet flow with it, with very little effort, and that gives me a taste of what is to come.
Michael Taft has us doing shamatha on stillness, silence and spaciousness (comes from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche) and then shamatha without an object while also doing Vipashyana on thoughts, not missing a single mind moment. It's good to revisit Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche's three doors practice. I had almost forgotten how profound that can be. As for the thoughts, it is fascinating how many layers of processing and/or pre-processing there is before a thought is fully formed. Not that I always manage to capture that; this ADHD brain is quite messy at times.
I had a weird dream a while back which was mainly lucid. I heard the alarm and was trying to wake up because I had a morning meeting, but I kept waking up in the wrong room. I must have gone through 30 something rooms before I found consensus reality. At first I was confused, because I thought I really woke up but didn't know where I was. I hypothesized that I was at a friend's place, but then realized that I was still asleep. I went through a few similar episodes, in which I even told people about the previous rooms I had woken up in, but then I grew more and more alert to the fact that I was still dreaming and started dissing the rooms immediately, like "nope — next!" over and over again. I knew I was in sleep paralysis but made an effort to open my eyes. When an image of my wall images flashed through, I knew that was the right room and that the ones following that were not. Eventually I managed to wake up for real. It would have been fun to explore the lucidity more, but I had to work. Michael Taft commented that it was a bardo moment.
I have also played with astral projection/OBE. I have managed to almost leave my body at will but snapped back again as if there were a rubber band connected to my physical body. I have also glided into bright light a few times, in one of those sessions. I was intending to connect with a specific person. Funny thing is that at the same time (I can't say whether it was the exact same time, but at least roughly) I suddenly popped up in a dream of his, just passing through in an elevator.
I haven't done much standing practice lately for some reason, but when I do it, it adds something.
I had a trauma triggered at work a while back, from a smell. I can be very sensitive to smells, but this was unproportional. I was trembling for three hours after leaving the smell. It made me think that it might have reminded me of when we found my dad's body after he had committed suicide. So I did some talking to my subconscious, assuring it that it was okay for it to come up. And so it did, in a sit. It came in brief spurts, a little at a time. I could feel and sense what had been shut out due to shock at the time. I cried, but it was tears of relief. Later that night I welcomed it again. That time it came up as visceral agitation of the body, mainly in the hip area. I worked it through with support via video chat. I was basically crawling around on my yoga mat, letting my body do what it needed to do. My body invented its own movement and sound therapy (I later learned from a dharma friend who is an expert on such things that what I did is legit practice, but I had no idea at the time). When I told Michael about it, he said it was the tantric way.
In daily life I find it useful to be aware of whenever the pain body shows up (as taught both by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche and Eckhart Tolle) and to soften into it, seeing it for what it is. Even the most stubborn versions of the pain body will admit that even though "what I'm concerned about is serious shit", tensing the body does not help a bit. And it's remarkable how a relaxed body suddenly has access to much more constructive thoughts, or even space between them.
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I love how you just casually toy around with phenomena like bardo dreams and synesthesia.
Always so fun to read your logs!
Hope everything is well, sounds a bit hectic lately.
Always so fun to read your logs!
Hope everything is well, sounds a bit hectic lately.
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Thankyou! Your post made me smile.
I'm sceptical about the bardo moment interpretation. I like the idea, but it seems more reasonable to just assume that some part of me just preferred staying asleep a while longer, therefore trying to fool some other part that I had already woken up. I find the same thing happens when I desperately need to pee but am too tired to wake up. The amount of false wakings in this particular instance was a record, though.
Yeah, I'm okay. Thanks for caring! It's just the usual life with minority wiring etc. Thankfully I have a lot of awesomeness in my life as well, such as lots of love.
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I have done a bunch of "energetic disentangling" yesterday and today. It's mainly smooth, but occasionally an energy shock makes my entire body jump up into the air (from reclining), like when medics try to restart someone's heart with electricity. It's neither scary nor painful. The energy doesn't get stuck anywhere. So I guess I'm also playing with very sudden and temporary levitation. ;)
I'm sceptical about the bardo moment interpretation. I like the idea, but it seems more reasonable to just assume that some part of me just preferred staying asleep a while longer, therefore trying to fool some other part that I had already woken up. I find the same thing happens when I desperately need to pee but am too tired to wake up. The amount of false wakings in this particular instance was a record, though.
Yeah, I'm okay. Thanks for caring! It's just the usual life with minority wiring etc. Thankfully I have a lot of awesomeness in my life as well, such as lots of love.
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I have done a bunch of "energetic disentangling" yesterday and today. It's mainly smooth, but occasionally an energy shock makes my entire body jump up into the air (from reclining), like when medics try to restart someone's heart with electricity. It's neither scary nor painful. The energy doesn't get stuck anywhere. So I guess I'm also playing with very sudden and temporary levitation. ;)
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I would be entirely unsurprised if it turned out you could actually levitate. If you figure it out, do write a tek so us muggles can learn it too 
When I tinkered with lucid dreaming way back, I remember learning to command my dreams.
Not your fairy-fluffy auto-suggestion; hardcore acts of will with simple words.
Maybe you could wake up faster that way, if you assert dominance over your subconscious like that.
Make it respect authority.

When I tinkered with lucid dreaming way back, I remember learning to command my dreams.
Not your fairy-fluffy auto-suggestion; hardcore acts of will with simple words.
Maybe you could wake up faster that way, if you assert dominance over your subconscious like that.
Make it respect authority.
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Haha, if I do find out how to actually levitate, I promise to share if I can. Please do the same!
Learning to command your dreams is impressive. I have only dipped my toes in it a bit. I don't think there is a you that does the commanding, though. I mean, sure, you choose what to command, but do you choose what to choose?
Personally, I find that there are subconscious forces that are much more awake than my conscious commanding could ever be. So I'm not so convinced that awakening would happen faster if I could make my subconscious respect authority, at least not if "I" am to be that authority. I do suppose there are specific subconscious patterns that could use some discipline, or rather pliance. I suspect that trust has more to do with it than discipline. Highly conditioned stuff, especially reactive patterns. Being able to just relax them on command would indeed be awesome. And getting them to reveal themselves so that they won't affect me unknowingly. I'm working on it.
Learning to command your dreams is impressive. I have only dipped my toes in it a bit. I don't think there is a you that does the commanding, though. I mean, sure, you choose what to command, but do you choose what to choose?
Personally, I find that there are subconscious forces that are much more awake than my conscious commanding could ever be. So I'm not so convinced that awakening would happen faster if I could make my subconscious respect authority, at least not if "I" am to be that authority. I do suppose there are specific subconscious patterns that could use some discipline, or rather pliance. I suspect that trust has more to do with it than discipline. Highly conditioned stuff, especially reactive patterns. Being able to just relax them on command would indeed be awesome. And getting them to reveal themselves so that they won't affect me unknowingly. I'm working on it.
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A weird half energetic, half physical thing going on: there's like an electric glitch where my spine is attached to my brain or something. It feels and sounds like tangible electrical poppings, and it's sometimes triggered by movement of the neck, often by footsteps on hard ground with boots on (at times by every step). It's not uncomfortable, just weird. Little electrical micro-explosions or bursts of prana. Maybe there is sort of a half-blockage that the energy bursts through, or the nerve signals, or whatever it is.
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You know the phrase "All models are wrong, but some are useful." ?
It appears to me that volition is real, but whether it exists as Self or a virtual possession we have, I don't know for sure.
I'm still investigating true self vs no self, having my sense of self hop around during practice.
...anyways, it's just an idea to play with so your dreams dont bug you or make you late.
That area you describe is called the jade pillow in Taoist philosophy. I believe it's a way station that converts physical and sexual energy into mental/spiritual (Shen) energy. Way station because once passed, the energy is changed and doesn't slip back down.
If the system fills up with that Shen, it can spill over into the mouth, causing a highly pleasant taste often described as honey, champagne or similar.
You gearing up for 2nd path or something?
It appears to me that volition is real, but whether it exists as Self or a virtual possession we have, I don't know for sure.
I'm still investigating true self vs no self, having my sense of self hop around during practice.
...anyways, it's just an idea to play with so your dreams dont bug you or make you late.
That area you describe is called the jade pillow in Taoist philosophy. I believe it's a way station that converts physical and sexual energy into mental/spiritual (Shen) energy. Way station because once passed, the energy is changed and doesn't slip back down.
If the system fills up with that Shen, it can spill over into the mouth, causing a highly pleasant taste often described as honey, champagne or similar.
You gearing up for 2nd path or something?
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Yeah, some kind of volition seems real. I'm just not convinced it's as personal as people tend to think.
Jade pillow, huh? Interesting. Thanks! So not a bad thing then, from the sound of it. Cool. If that's really what it is. It does feel like burst of energy getting through, one pop at a time. No taste of champagne or honey, though.
I think I already have MCTB second path, but I may very well be mistaken. The middlepaths seem like a whole bunch of cycles, and there's fractals to it as well, which makes the whole thing seem infinite. It's messy. I do feel like I'm charging up for something, but for what... Maybe like path 2.1.3.7 or something. Dunno.
Jade pillow, huh? Interesting. Thanks! So not a bad thing then, from the sound of it. Cool. If that's really what it is. It does feel like burst of energy getting through, one pop at a time. No taste of champagne or honey, though.
I think I already have MCTB second path, but I may very well be mistaken. The middlepaths seem like a whole bunch of cycles, and there's fractals to it as well, which makes the whole thing seem infinite. It's messy. I do feel like I'm charging up for something, but for what... Maybe like path 2.1.3.7 or something. Dunno.
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Sorry, I wanted to say "next path", not second. Don't know why my brain does this to me.
The jade pillow was from Mantak Chia's "Cultivating male sexual energy".
Come to think of it, if triggered by walking on hard surfaces, it could also have something to do with fascia.
The occiput/jadepillow is a crazy nexus of many fascial lines, which go all the way to the feet.
I would know, I used to get screaming neck pains, that I fixed my massaging my calf muscles.
I don't know what's weirder, insight paths or fascia.
Just your daily dose of random information.
The jade pillow was from Mantak Chia's "Cultivating male sexual energy".
Come to think of it, if triggered by walking on hard surfaces, it could also have something to do with fascia.
The occiput/jadepillow is a crazy nexus of many fascial lines, which go all the way to the feet.
I would know, I used to get screaming neck pains, that I fixed my massaging my calf muscles.
I don't know what's weirder, insight paths or fascia.
Just your daily dose of random information.
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I have noticed a connection between the ñanas and the fascia. My fascia contracts in the 3C ñana and the dukkha ñanas. So maybe both...? I really don't know, but now I have also had an increase in other kind of energetic stuff, so it seems to be some kind of energetic build-up.
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Michael thinks that the small electrical blips are likely little aftershocks from the bigger kriyas that I have, of the "inner defibrillator" type. That makes sense. He also explained that kriyas either clear blockages or expand the capacity for electricity going through the body. Lately it doesn't feel like the energy gets stuck anywhere, so hopefully it's more of the expanding type.